highway safety school

There was a LOT of discussion when this came out on SCCAForums. And overall the evidence is NOT in support of drastic measures. It came from one article, without a lot of evidence to back up the conclusion (IIRC). Is there a potential for some extra trouble, yes. But there is also a potential for extra trouble in wearing any helmet.

Sorry, but I will continue to wear a full faced helmet in all cars.
 
AG said:
You should get a closed face SA rated helmet. I don't know if the SA2005 helmets are out yet, however those will be good for another 10 years. The certification on the currrent crop of helmets expires in 5 years.

As far a brands go, you must try before you buy. Not all helmets are shaped the same and some will fit much better than others.
I thought you were supposed to replace a helmet every five years, regardless of whether or not the Snell certification has expired?

As for the helmets -- don't shop only by price. Bell and Simpson both fit differently, and different models have different fits, too. If you plan on attending more HPDE's and/or autocrossing in the future, buy a good helmet that fits comfortably and snugly. Although it's very clichéd, remember that the helmet is made to protect your head and only 'buy a $10 helmet if that's all you think your head is worth.' [/cliché]

Also, think about a good pair of thin-soled, narrow shoes -- they don't necessarily need to be high-end racing shoes (nomex lined), but a good pair of leather-upper wrestling shoes (like the Adidas Tyrint) will give you the same pedal feel as a pair of racing boots for much less money. (Nomex is always a good idea if you can afford it, but you can always buy nomex socks for some fire protection.)

ChosenGSR said:
I will definitely attend both days... What do you guys usually do for overnight stay? Is it common for people to find nearby hotels or campout at the track? If camping out, what do you suggest one bring along? Also, what do you guys think about bringing a friend or a family member for the weekend? Will they be completely bored out of their minds?
Although I usually just commute daily from Arlington (waking up at O'dark hundred ensures that I'm awake and alert by the time tech opens at 7am), there are a couple of decent hotels in Charlestown -- nothing fancy, but a reasonably clean room at okay prices. [NCCBMWCCA Page on Accommodations]

As for family members... make sure that they realize that they're going to be doing a lot of sitting outside, with very little to see. (No ride-alongs and rarely are there instructor laps for non-students/non-corner workers.) If they're into motorsports photography, they'll have a ball or, they could venture to the main circuit, if there's a race/HPDE to watch at the Carousel. As for children -- I think they'd get bored pretty quickly and I'm always afraid of what might happen if a couple of kids are running around the paddock during the process of gridding-up for a group to go on the track. (No kids of my own, yet... but they're a relatively rare sight, unless you bring two cars, so they can escape the track when they get antsy and/or want a bite to eat.)

BTW, congrats for making the right decision and starting out with the HwySS -- it taught me so much and gave me the confidence in myself and my car that I needed for the ensuing drivers' schools (and autocrosses). (And the double helping of skidpad time during the Safety School is incredibly valuable.)

And the AutoX school might also be a good primer, if you can make it... ;)

Edit: For shoes, I've got a pair of Addidas Ferox boots, now $30 on Eastbay. The color is by no means mild, but the fit is good, the design durable, and the tongue keeps the laces out of the pedal.

 
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Thanks SharkD, really good information. BTW, when/how does one know if they have been admitted to the driving school? I sent out my registration form w/check on the 4th. Is the check deposited only if you get in?
 
ChosenGSR said:
Thanks SharkD, really good information. BTW, when/how does one know if they have been admitted to the driving school? I sent out my registration form w/check on the 4th. Is the check deposited only if you get in?

You'll get a nice fat envelope in the mail about a week after registration closes. Sort of like college acceptance letters :icon_nerv. Anyway, checks might not get deposited until well after the school. That was the case with one of the schools I attended last year.
 
ChosenGSR said:
Thanks SharkD, really good information. BTW, when/how does one know if they have been admitted to the driving school? I sent out my registration form w/check on the 4th. Is the check deposited only if you get in?
We have received around 24 registration forms so far so it's a pretty good chance you are in since the school is not filled yet.
 
1996 328ti said:
We have received around 24 registration forms so far so it's a pretty good chance you are in since the school is not filled yet.
If it were any other weekend but Mother's Day weekend....
 
SMOODY said:
If it were any other weekend but Mother's Day weekend....
Yeah, you might have to reschedule your Mothers' Day celebrations if you attend the Sunday HPDE, but the upshot is you get to celebrate my birthday a whole day early. :icon_danc (Now, honestly, who could resist that?)

;)
 
Yes, helmets should be replaced every 5 years. Personally I wouldn't worry for DEs and autocross. But racing, ABSOLUTELY.

As for shoes, Puma makes a bunch of very nice driving shoes, some in cooperations with Sparco. A pretty long thread over on BimmerFest in the Motorsports forum about shoes. My wife an I have Sparco/Puma Speedcats for driving. I use racing shoes (and a full Nomex suit) for DE. One extended stay in a burn center per lifetime is enough (my first one was NOT driving related).
 
Pinecone said:
I use racing shoes (and a full Nomex suit) for DE. One extended stay in a burn center per lifetime is enough (my first one was NOT driving related).

Terry, I was thinking about a full suit for this year (I already run in nomex underwear, socks, gloves and balaclava) -- do they get uncomfortable in the mid-summer heat? Any recommendations on brand/style?

Also, can you PM that bimmerfest link on jacks and lifts that was published in GRM? (I cannot find that issue for the life of me.)

Thanks.
 
SharkD said:
Terry, I was thinking about a full suit for this year (I already run in nomex underwear, socks, gloves and balaclava) -- do they get uncomfortable in the mid-summer heat?

j/k, right? I sweat thru my suit in races in october. In the summer it's miserable, and my suit is fairly thin and light.

Any recommendations on brand/style?

I'd seriously consider the G-Force 545. Its thinner, lighter and has a better TPP than my Momo for half the price. Too bad it wasn't out when I bought mine.

Its not shiny though, so if you are looking for bling you will want to look elsewhere.

I should be around for the HSS. My fiancee has signed up for it. We'll be there with the new grey Camry.
 
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If you guys are interested, I get a small discount with a company (www.apexperformance.net) -- I believe around 10% off the price plus free shipping if you are going with another nomex suit. I can also get fairly good discounts on corbeau products from them.

I have not purchased the balaclava yet. I planned on just getting normal shoes ... like puma's. I will though, add a 2.3L fire suppression system in my car.

Hope to see you at the HSS Terry. I'd like to pick your brain on suspension setups and camber.
 
Nomex at DS

Why? Maybe the gloves. And then try not to wear leather shoes if you are concerned about fire. FYI in a fire leather shrinks and can crush the bones in your feet in a fire. Same with leather gloves. At least that is what i heard. A full suit makes you like a poseur. In the June, July, August and September the full suit is more of liability than a help. Can't ever remember hearing about a car fire at a drivers school. Woody have you ever heard of one? PCA, CCA, Car gGuys etc?
 
Most Incidents at Drivers Schools Happen ?

ChosenGSR said:
I sure hope not, don't scare us noobs!

Never heard of a fire. Most incidents happen in the middle group on Sunday after lunch. Usually your next to last track session. Unless the stats have changed.
Almost always driver error. Usually on the big track it is either turn 3 or turn 9/10 depending on how you count. Sometimes the chute. FWIW worth my advice tell yourself you have to drive the car home and run by yourself not in groups. Oh and learn to read you sheep and your dog. . Woops sorry got confused wrong event.
 
OwnedbyDuncan said:
Never heard of a fire.

Once I had a student that had a brake fire. It was at a NJ chapter school on the Jefferson Circuit.

In retrospect it seems kinda funny. He said the brakes were going away so I told him to bring it in. We pulled into the paddock and a crowd gatherered. I jumped out to see what was up and the R. front caliper was burning. I yelled for someone to get an extinguisher but everyone stood there. Either they couldn't hear me from inside my helmet or they were dumbfounded by the sight of flames. I pulled my communicator out (I was still tethered to my student) and ran and got one and put it out but by then the seals had completely burned away and his brake fluid was running on the ground. We ended up clamping that hose off with a vice grip, bleeding the other 3 brakes and the guy drove his car home with 3 brakes and a vice grip zip-tied to his strut.

Other than that I dont recall ever seeing a fire at a DE, much less the HSS. Most race car fires seem to be self-induced, either thru poor engineering or careless preparation. In a DE where most of the cars are late model street cars, its very, very unlikely.
 
oh man, I am already shaking in my boots for my first event ever. I am terrified of taking my new car there. I just hope everything goes well :)
 
ChosenGSR said:
oh man, I am already shaking in my boots for my first event ever. I am terrified of taking my new car there. I just hope everything goes well :)

Nah, don't be worried. (I shouldn't have brought up the Drivers' suits, sorry.) You're going to learn quite a bit, and you're going to have fun doing it.

As for the safety aspects -- once you get a feel for the car's limits, and more importantly, your limits (which will improve, trust me), you'll be able to get around the track quickly and safely. Just take it easy and at a pace that's comfortable with you -- and your instructors will not let you get yourself so deeply into trouble that you or your car will get hurt. (The NCC has some of the best instructors on the East Coast -- and that includes NASA, Mazda, PCA, MBC, etc.)
 
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