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woodym3
05-25-2010, 01:27 PM
But Austin, Texas is a long way from home.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10824.html

flohtingPoint
05-25-2010, 02:07 PM
Hopefully Canada can stick around and we can have two GP's in North America.

TopazE46
05-25-2010, 02:17 PM
can't wait for dates to be set so i can reserve my hotel stay wayyy in advance. lol.

1996 328ti
05-25-2010, 02:29 PM
Maybe we can swing an Ofest there again.
I didn't understand though, would it be a street course?

flohtingPoint
05-25-2010, 02:35 PM
Maybe we can swing an Ofest there again.
I didn't understand though, would it be a street course?

In the link, it explains that a facility is being built for the purpose of F1. It will not be another Valencia.

1996 328ti
05-25-2010, 02:38 PM
In the link, it explains that a facility is being built for the purpose of F1. It will not be another Valencia.I thought so.
A road course can be built in 2 years?

flohtingPoint
05-25-2010, 02:47 PM
I thought so.
A road course can be built in 2 years?

Korea is slamming through production to get their circuit operational this year, so perhaps. I'm a Network Engineer, not a Civil Engineer, so I cant say one way or the other, but F1 has little faith in Korea, already stating the Magny Cours is a fallback.

1996 328ti
05-25-2010, 03:06 PM
Seems every track I read about has setbacks due to zoning and permit issues.

flohtingPoint
05-25-2010, 03:08 PM
Seems every track I read about has setbacks due to zoning and permit issues.

Or Tilke makes them boring.

1996 328ti
05-25-2010, 03:21 PM
Or Tilke makes them boring.Thank goodness for the internet because I had no clue WTF you are talking about. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Tilke

woodym3
05-25-2010, 04:11 PM
I thought so.
A road course can be built in 2 years?

With enough money a track and the required infrastructure for an F1 race could be done in a year. I assume the City of Austin has a site in mind and the wherewithall to push through any bureaucratic hurdles. This plan certainly sounds for feasible that last week's rumored use of Monticello Motorsports Club in NY.

Uber-Goober
05-25-2010, 05:05 PM
I think Tilke is going to deliver something along the lines of Yas Marina and not Spa. With 4 days of activities and the race only being 1.5 hours of which 80% is spent watching a screen anyway, one could really care less. It's close to home and is a fraction of the cost of Monaco. Hopefully Red Bull will be resolved by the rest of the teams and multiple tyre suppliers should make it fun. I will take it.

flohtingPoint
05-25-2010, 06:53 PM
I think Tilke is going to deliver something along the lines of Yas Marina and not Spa. With 4 days of activities and the race only being 1.5 hours of which 80% is spent watching a screen anyway, one could really care less. It's close to home and is a fraction of the cost of Monaco. Hopefully Red Bull will be resolved by the rest of the teams and multiple tyre suppliers should make it fun. I will take it.

To create Spa in Texas would take major landscaping. The altitude changes of Spa are massive. My buddies MK 1 Golf could take Raidillon flat out because he'd lose so much speed climbing after the start of Eau Rouge.

Uber-Goober
05-25-2010, 08:43 PM
To create Spa in Texas would take major landscaping. The altitude changes of Spa are massive. My buddies MK 1 Golf could take Raidillon flat out because he'd lose so much speed climbing after the start of Eau Rouge.

You or your buddy have been to Spa?

flohtingPoint
05-25-2010, 08:46 PM
You or your buddy have been to Spa?

I was stationed in Germany for two and a half years. I made it to Spa, Nordschleife and Hockenheim as much as I could.

There is a pic of my S13 coming out of Sachs Curve at Hockenheim.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2604/3860575196_4e2058f8b7_o.jpg

Uber-Goober
05-25-2010, 09:26 PM
I was stationed in Germany for two and a half years. I made it to Spa, Nordschleife and Hockenheim as much as I could.

There is a pic of my S13 coming out of Sachs Curve at Hockenheim.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2604/3860575196_4e2058f8b7_o.jpg

I am so envious, you even raced on it...Couple of years ago me and the little lady went to Nordschleife, it was two days before Belgian GP. We decided "next time" on Spa and I have been kicking myself in the ass ever since.

Good for you;)

woodym3
05-26-2010, 06:28 AM
I was stationed in Germany a LONG time ago. I drove the Nurburgring and Spa in their original configurations, as well as Zandvoort and Hockenheim. The original Hockenheim was a public road, over 4-miles long and only had two turns.

Real M3
05-27-2010, 07:31 AM
I was stationed in Germany a LONG time ago. I drove the Nurburgring and Spa in their original configurations, as well as Zandvoort and Hockenheim. The original Hockenheim was a public road, over 4-miles long and only had two turns.

So Woody, was that in the one or two horse cart?

woodym3
05-27-2010, 07:35 AM
Come on Chuck, us old far. . .uh, guys have to stick together. Actually it was in a Triumph TR4 (and a VW Beatle many times at Hockenheim).

flohtingPoint
05-27-2010, 07:49 AM
I was stationed in Germany a LONG time ago. I drove the Nurburgring and Spa in their original configurations, as well as Zandvoort and Hockenheim. The original Hockenheim was a public road, over 4-miles long and only had two turns.

I'd have punched a hippo in the face for the opportunity to drive the original config of Hockenheim. I was crushing 125-130 on the parabolika of the current layout, one only knows how fast I'd be hitting after slamming out of the nordkurve and charging to the Clark chicane.

woodym3
05-27-2010, 08:55 AM
Ah, but the original track when I was there had no chicanes or "stadium section". It looked like a squished egg. This wikipedia article doesn't show what the track looked like prior to 1965. With two turns in over 4-miles it was really pretty boring - especially in a 36-hp VW.

flohtingPoint
05-27-2010, 09:38 AM
Ah, but the original track when I was there had no chicanes or "stadium section". It looked like a squished egg. This wikipedia article doesn't show what the track looked like prior to 1965. With two turns in over 4-miles it was really pretty boring - especially in a 36-hp VW.

Prior to 65? Jeez, you were there before Jim Clark died?

BTW, there is a nice garden walk on the outside of the stadium now with a memorial for Clark there. I was pleased when I found that while walking around Hockenheim, waiting for the motorcycles to get off the track.

Uber-Goober
05-27-2010, 10:18 AM
Wow, you guys are talking about stuff way back when. My earliest memory of anything F1 is when my old man was super excited when Ron Dennis dug up Niki and won drivers championship...and that appears to be quite some time after the events you are discussing...




Tilke gets the nod, with a nice write up:

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/6174807/Tilke-To-Design-New-US-Circuit

flohtingPoint
05-27-2010, 10:36 AM
Ah, I'm only 29, so I was barely old enough to remember Prost and Senna's rivalry. I'm just a student of the sport and my family and I are Tifosi. I read everything I can get my hands on about F1 and have an enormous F1 footage collection.

Uber-Goober
05-31-2010, 03:53 PM
A few things learned from the GP of Turkey:

It can get hot there, hence lolly pop girl fainting...

Vettel is favored by Red Bull, hence the cuddling after he acted like a retard on the track...how about telling him the team is more important than him...

Hamilton's girlfriend sports the IQ of a night lamp, but at least she now knows F1 is coming to the US as informed by the interviewing reporter...

JC5
05-31-2010, 04:38 PM
Someone mentioned that there might be a Baltimore race. This seemed a little strange?

Biggins
05-31-2010, 04:50 PM
Someone mentioned that there might be a Baltimore race. This seemed a little strange?
Why?

There is a Baltimore Grand Prix next August, but the IZOD Indycar Series and probably ALMS are running it. F1 is not quite the same as Indy cars.

JC5
05-31-2010, 05:20 PM
Indy, F1, either in B-more sounded odd. Honestly I though the guy who told me, was pulling my leg a bit.

flohtingPoint
06-01-2010, 07:25 AM
Vettel is favored by Red Bull, hence the cuddling after he acted like a retard on the track...how about telling him the team is more important than him...

It's less that he's favored, more that Christian Horner knows that Vettel can be emotionally unstable at times. A couple years ago, when Vettel was at Toro Rosso, he wrecked into Webber and was later seen having an emotional breakdown in the Garage, crying unabashed. Horner had to react tactfully, as they're in the middle of a title hunt, McLaren have seemingly closed ranks on RedBull, and he needs his drivers mentally tough. While I agreed with Eddie Jordan that coddling him was very uncalled for, I really dont know what the right move would have been in handling Seb.

To give you more of an idea that Vettel isn't favored, Webber got an upgraded wing before he did.

Uber-Goober
06-01-2010, 01:28 PM
I think one problem is that he is his own manager. I mean if I was in my early 20s trying to drive at that level dealing with all of that pressure, PR work etc...I would go nuts. He is more mature than most his age but still. He needs someone who can help guide him and verbally smack him around as well...just my opinion...

flohtingPoint
06-01-2010, 01:49 PM
I think one problem is that he is his own manager. I mean if I was in my early 20s trying to drive at that level dealing with all of that pressure, PR work etc...I would go nuts. He is more mature than most his age but still. He needs someone who can help guide him and verbally smack him around as well...just my opinion...

I dont know anything of Seb's managerial situation, so I cant say anything one way or the other. Martin Brundle wouldn't be too bad of an option for this. Martin knows everyone and everyone knows Martin, so his lines of communcation would be wide open in terms of assisting Seb's growth.

Uber-Goober
06-01-2010, 02:12 PM
I dont know anything of Seb's managerial situation, so I cant say anything one way or the other. Martin Brundle wouldn't be too bad of an option for this. Martin knows everyone and everyone knows Martin, so his lines of communcation would be wide open in terms of assisting Seb's growth.

I am willing to do it for half the price, I would just need to include a bit of fine print, such as: "cannot guarantee results" ;)

hepcatz
06-18-2010, 11:40 AM
I'm hopeful but not convinced it will go well or last. I'm more optimistic about IRL Indy in Baltimore Fall of 2011, even more since it is a road course not a track.