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01-01-2010, 07:39 PM
Bowie Baysox Stadium
4101 Crain Highway
Bowie, MD 20716

NCC Autocross will host the first points event of the year on March 20th, 2010.

Registration opens 12:00 AM on Saturday, February 27, 2010 and closes 11:59 PM on Thursday, March 18th, 2010.

Register online as walk-up registration costs are higher!

Online registration is $30.00 for members / $35.00 for non-members.
All walk-up registrations will be charged $35.00 for members / $40.00 for non-members.

Please register online so that we can properly plan for the event (and save yourself some money too). Online registration also will streamline your registration process on event day.

This years program is targeted towards the first timer as well as the more experienced autocrosser. Our events promote a great social gathering of all ages and all cars. Bring your car right from the showroom, or take your project out of the garage for a spin around the cones, in a safe manner provided by our outstanding NCCBMWCCA autocross committee.

Please contact us with any questions you might have. We'll be happy to answer your questions. Please use our message board at http://www.nccautocross.com/ to post any questions you may have.

See you on the 20th!

The Essentials ...

Registration

Please register using DLB Racing here: http://www.dlbracing.com/clubs/nccbmwcca/register.aspx?EventID=4215&LMID=2912

Registration opens 12:00 AM on Saturday, February 27, 2010 and closes 11:59 PM on Thursday, March 18th, 2010.

Registrations are non-refundable and non-transferable.

07:45 - Registration / Waiver Tent Opens
07:45 - Tech Inspection Opens
08:30 - Registration Cutoff (AM Session)
08:45 - Tech Inspection Closed
08:45 - Course Open For Walking (AM Session)
09:10 - Drivers' Meeting (AM Session)
09:30 - First Car Off (AM Session)
11:15 - Tech Inspection Opens
12:00 - Course Cold (AM Session)
12:00 - Registration Cutoff (PM Session)
12:15 - Tech Inspection Closes
12:15 - Course Open For Walking (PM Session)
12:40 - Drivers' Meeting (PM Session)
01:00 - First Car Off (PM Session)
03:30 - Course Cold (PM Session)

*As always, event schedule is subject to change.

Driver entry list can be found here: http://www.dlbracing.com/clubs/drivers.aspx?EventID=4215&LMID=2913

irish44j
02-15-2010, 10:07 PM
I'll be there. Gotta break the winter freeze somehow...

phenryiv1
02-22-2010, 03:48 PM
Fail on my part, at least for the E30. No way she will be ready by then. Maybe the Legacy will get a few more runs.

S2KSEOUL
02-23-2010, 11:50 PM
Man I can't wait. Just got the subscription, new wheels, tires, coilovers. I'm sure everything I ordered will be here on time and there won't be any rain on the first event.

Ok, maybe there will be rain. But no snow.

irish44j
02-24-2010, 10:08 PM
rain or snow are fine with me! Preferably snow and I'll keep the Wintersport M3s on :D

Funny how all the people posting here so far are all the people who are driving non-BMWs, lol..

mcoupemindy
02-25-2010, 07:10 AM
Funny how all the people posting here so far are all the people who are driving non-BMWs, lol..

We're just all trying to get our broken cars back together before the 20th. :)

mcoupemindy
02-26-2010, 06:55 AM
Updated first post with event information!

civicexracer
02-26-2010, 11:49 AM
What's the entrant cut off?

irish44j
02-27-2010, 09:26 PM
ok, so I am looking forward to seeing the Honda Pilot that's registered for X1 :confused:

phenryiv1
03-01-2010, 03:47 PM
ok, so I am looking forward to seeing the Honda Pilot that's registered for X1 :confused:
My bet is that he (she?) hopes that is snows. :biggrin:

mcoupemindy
03-02-2010, 06:39 AM
My bet is that he (she?) hopes that is snows. :biggrin:

It's Jon Moreland ... he just doesn't know what car he'll be driving yet.

NO SNOW!

RedMS3
03-02-2010, 11:19 AM
Signed up! If there are any Z4 M Coupe drivers reading this thread...I want to ride along with one of you! I'm seriously considering one of those bad boys next year.

darkfiber
03-04-2010, 12:16 AM
Signed up! If there are any Z4 M Coupe drivers reading this thread...I want to ride along with one of you! I'm seriously considering one of those bad boys next year.

I'm driving in the PM session, you can ride with me.

RedMS3
03-04-2010, 01:14 PM
I'm driving in the PM session, you can ride with me.

Sweet! I'm also riding PM, but I'll park my car and get out of order to ride shotgun.

95Maxrider
03-05-2010, 03:46 PM
I just tried to register for both Am and Pm sessions and it looks like both are filled up. Can anyone verify this for me? When I tried to select X2 it just pops back to M1....

Also, is it me, or are 5 of the 6 cars in X2 in the wrong class? All but the RX8 should be in X3....

irish44j
03-05-2010, 04:23 PM
I just tried to register for both Am and Pm sessions and it looks like both are filled up. Can anyone verify this for me? When I tried to select X2 it just pops back to M1....

Also, is it me, or are 5 of the 6 cars in X2 in the wrong class? All but the RX8 should be in X3....

The MS3 and my WRX would be in X3....except having a turbo bumps you up one. Hence why we're in there. ALl are 2.3 or 2.5L turbo cars.

That RX-8 in X3 must be running R-comps or be boosted, otherwise he's be in X2


Base Group = Engine Displacement Range (in Liters rounded to nearest .1)



X1 = 4.7+

X2 = 3.3 €“ 4.6

X3 = 2.1 €“ 3.2

X4 = 0.1 €“ 2.0



After the Base Group number is determined, move up 1 Group (e.g.: X3 to X2) as follows:
- Increase 1 Group if engine is rotary (Wankel engine)
- Increase 1 Group if engine uses forced induction (factory or aftermarket)
- Increase 1 Group if R-Compound tires are used. R-Compound is classified by NCC Autocross as any DOT tire with a tread wear rating of less than 140.

Examples:
- A 2008 Mazda RX-8 (1.3L) would be in X4, but is an X3 car because of its rotary engine. If the same RX-8 competes with R-Compound tires, it moves up 1 more Group to X2.
- A 2010 Subaru WRX STI (2.5L) moves up from X3 to X2 because it has forced induction. Even factory forced induction, such as in this case, causes a car to move up 1 Group.
- X1 is the maximum Group. Example: a 5.0 liter car with R-Compound tires remains in the X1 Group.

RedMS3
03-05-2010, 04:34 PM
That RX-8 in X2 must be running R-comps or be boosted, otherwise he'd be in X3

Fixed that for you.

mcoupemindy
03-05-2010, 05:15 PM
I just tried to register for both Am and Pm sessions and it looks like both are filled up. Can anyone verify this for me? When I tried to select X2 it just pops back to M1....

Also, is it me, or are 5 of the 6 cars in X2 in the wrong class? All but the RX8 should be in X3....

I think we have it all fixed now. Please try again. Sorry about this!

95Maxrider
03-05-2010, 05:45 PM
The MS3 and my WRX would be in X3....except having a turbo bumps you up one. Hence why we're in there. ALl are 2.3 or 2.5L turbo cars.

That RX-8 in X3 must be running R-comps or be boosted, otherwise he's be in X2

I'm confused, that scoring list you just posted is the opposite of what is in the classing thread:
X1 = 0.1 - 2.0
X2 = 2.1 - 3.2
X3 = 3.3 - 4.6
X4 = 4.7+

Is X1 the highest or lowest?

BTW, registration works fine now, thanks for the fix!

mcoupemindy
03-05-2010, 05:52 PM
I'm confused, that scoring list you just posted is the opposite of what is in the classing thread:
X1 = 0.1 - 2.0
X2 = 2.1 - 3.2
X3 = 3.3 - 4.6
X4 = 4.7+

Is X1 the highest or lowest?

BTW, registration works fine now, thanks for the fix!

Just as the BMW classes, the "1" class should be the fastest.

This is the official listing: http://www.nccbmwcca.org/content.php?138-Classes

bmwtroll
03-06-2010, 01:50 PM
Finally got the kitchen pass and will be giving this a shot. First time autoXer w/ the daily driver.

mdepena
03-06-2010, 04:02 PM
I've signed up for the AM session. I see there are 54 total signed up. How can you tell how many are in the AM vs the PM session?

irish44j
03-06-2010, 04:18 PM
Just as the BMW classes, the "1" class should be the fastest.

This is the official listing: http://www.nccbmwcca.org/content.php?138-Classes

you guys are sneaky. It's listed the opposite way elsewhere....

mcoupemindy
03-06-2010, 04:19 PM
I've signed up for the AM session. I see there are 54 total signed up. How can you tell how many are in the AM vs the PM session?

The 100 cars are AM and the 200 cars are PM.

mcoupemindy
03-06-2010, 04:20 PM
you guys are sneaky. It's listed the opposite way elsewhere....

The official rule set is at www.nccautocross.com - all other ones are NOT official and should not be used.

95Maxrider
03-06-2010, 04:40 PM
The official rule set is at www.nccautocross.com - all other ones are NOT official and should not be used.

Woops, I need to change my class from X2 to X3. Also, my friend Darius signed up in the M1 class when he should be in X3 with his Nissan 240sx. How can I make those changes?

mcoupemindy
03-06-2010, 06:06 PM
Woops, I need to change my class from X2 to X3. Also, my friend Darius signed up in the M1 class when he should be in X3 with his Nissan 240sx. How can I make those changes?

You can change it by logging in to DLB Racing.

irish44j
03-06-2010, 06:50 PM
Woops, I need to change my class from X2 to X3. Also, my friend Darius signed up in the M1 class when he should be in X3 with his Nissan 240sx. How can I make those changes?

lol, Darius doesn't read very well does he :D

Damn, I don't get to run against you guys directly :(

m3chaser
03-07-2010, 04:54 PM
Wow competition in T2 is going to be tough it looks like. Why is Joe Brannon in T2!? I'm going to slash his and Noel's tires to make it seem like the rest of us have a chance ahahaha.

mcoupemindy
03-07-2010, 05:09 PM
Wow competition in T2 is going to be tough it looks like. Why is Joe Brannon in T2!? I'm going to slash his and Noel's tires to make it seem like the rest of us have a chance ahahaha.

I'm sure Joe will chime in, however he's running street tires this year.

ronh21
03-07-2010, 05:56 PM
Wow competition in T2 is going to be tough it looks like. Why is Joe Brannon in T2!? I'm going to slash his and Noel's tires to make it seem like the rest of us have a chance ahahaha.

If you're gonna go to all that trouble, you may as well get Woody's (and Sam's) while you're at it. They're not signed up yet, but get them just in case :wink: Seriously, I think it's great that we have new/fast guys coming to the class. Last year, I would wonder if I could possibly come close to Joe B.'s times if I ran R-comps. This year we'll see on street tires.

Reach
03-07-2010, 07:07 PM
Ron you gotta get your car out on the course first. :D I recall that was a challenge at VIR, ouch! Hope you've solved your lug-snapping problems.

woodym3
03-07-2010, 09:47 PM
Just as the BMW classes, the "1" class should be the fastest.



And I maintain that a bigger engine isn't necessarily faster for autocross purposes. Just an easy way for us to divide non-BMWs into four classes.

woodym3
03-07-2010, 09:51 PM
If you're gonna go to all that trouble, you may as well get Woody's (and Sam's) while you're at it. They're not signed up yet, but get them just in case

I'm still trying to figure out the logistics of autocrossing, changing into a suit, picking up GF in Virginia, and getting to a 2 pm wedding in Gaithersburg.
I'm also considering an offer to drive a very nice M2 car.

woodym3
03-07-2010, 09:56 PM
Signed up! If there are any Z4 M Coupe drivers reading this thread...I want to ride along with one of you! I'm seriously considering one of those bad boys next year.

I see there's one for sale in our classified section. Tell the owner you'd like a long test drive on the 20th.

m3chaser
03-08-2010, 06:31 AM
If you're gonna go to all that trouble, you may as well get Woody's (and Sam's) while you're at it. They're not signed up yet, but get them just in case :wink: Seriously, I think it's great that we have new/fast guys coming to the class. Last year, I would wonder if I could possibly come close to Joe B.'s times if I ran R-comps. This year we'll see on street tires.

Ahaha true. I am honestly going to love the competition and can't wait to get out there, but I see myself being in the bottom tier of the standings in the class with so many heavy hitters like you, woody, Joe, Sam, etc being in the class. This is only my second year so I won't be catching up anytime soon with you guys.

RedMS3
03-08-2010, 07:33 PM
I see there's one for sale in our classified section. Tell the owner you'd like a long test drive on the 20th.

Ha! I wish I could do that with a straight face...

cohare
03-10-2010, 11:47 AM
Looking forward to joining the BMW's next weekend!

Zcruizer
03-12-2010, 02:20 PM
Don't know if I can make it this time, my mom won't let me use her credit card with pay-pal. Ok J. Dunlap, here's your chance to win S1.

Claff
03-13-2010, 02:58 AM
In with two cars for me and the missus. Kinda kicking myself for procrastinating till the morning session filled up, but we'll be there ready to rock in the afternoon with a couple Miatas looking to turn tires into noise.

Bob
03-13-2010, 08:25 AM
Jonathan, arrrgh, got a flooded living room and no heat!! sorry, , good luck.gotta scratch this morning, see you next week.

SamB325es
03-15-2010, 06:54 AM
I was going to get a set of Dunlop star specs this year, but instead I'm gonna get...

Wait for it...

A new hot water heater...YEAH!!!

:frown:

John in VA
03-15-2010, 08:47 AM
I was going to get a set of Dunlop star specs this year, but instead I'm gonna get...
Wait for it...
A new hot water heater...YEAH!!!
:frown:

We went through this last year. At least there is a tax credit for it!

ozdenkm
03-15-2010, 09:51 AM
Looking forward to my first autocross event this Saturday! Is it possible to have someone experience to ride along or is that only for the schools?

Biggins
03-15-2010, 10:33 AM
I lied too.

I said my car was retired from autocross, but it appears that is no longer the case. I'll also be running on snows or no-seasons for at least this first event. :(

Also, can I switch to the morning heat? I have a subscription for the PM session as #202, but would appreciate being in the morning heat for this event only.

RedMS3
03-15-2010, 12:14 PM
Looking forward to my first autocross event this Saturday! Is it possible to have someone experience to ride along or is that only for the schools?

All you have to do is ask! Ride-alongs are not limited to the schools.

mcoupemindy
03-15-2010, 01:07 PM
I lied too.

I said my car was retired from autocross, but it appears that is no longer the case. I'll also be running on snows or no-seasons for at least this first event. :(

Also, can I switch to the morning heat? I have a subscription for the PM session as #202, but would appreciate being in the morning heat for this event only.

You can change it by logging into DLBRacing ... however, I'm pretty sure the morning session is already full.

civicexracer
03-15-2010, 04:15 PM
Just signed up... Looks like I'm running the civic, couldn't get my hands on the z4...Wish I knew earlier so I could run AM and get my number. Hate using tape...

I'll probably be there by the time morning runs start so if anyone needs me to ride along and/or give some pointers feel free to ask. Names AJ and I'll be in the black civic coupe.

drq2q
03-15-2010, 04:26 PM
Hey AJ! I'll take you up on the ride-along. 115 - Black Infiniti G. (tim)

irish44j
03-15-2010, 05:01 PM
All you have to do is ask! Ride-alongs are not limited to the schools.

good, I need someone to slow you down anyhow :D

Can I also load my other whels and tires into your car too?

SamB325es
03-15-2010, 05:01 PM
AJ, I think we (myself and two other people) need to ride along in your car...You need ballast. I will feel better about my times if you would just slow down!

irish44j
03-15-2010, 05:02 PM
sweet...50 cars in the morning, 30 in the afternoon. Less standing around, more driving!

darkfiber
03-15-2010, 07:32 PM
aw, i was hoping for more T1s :(

RedMS3
03-15-2010, 08:18 PM
good, I need someone to slow you down anyhow :D

Can I also load my other wheels and tires into your car too?

Ha! You sure that's enough weight for a handicap? ;)

irish44j
03-15-2010, 09:58 PM
Ha! You sure that's enough weight for a handicap? ;)

damn I'm bitter that it'll be another 4-6 weeks before my suspension gets here ;)

RedMS3
03-15-2010, 11:06 PM
damn I'm bitter that it'll be another 4-6 weeks before my suspension gets here ;)

Well, then let your demeanor brew like an IPA and increase in bitterness over time.

Reach
03-16-2010, 02:58 PM
To our autocross faithful,

If you've been anywhere near the registration page lately, you'll have noticed that our event is FULL for the AM session. We still have about 20 spots available for the PM session heading into the last few days of registration.

Accordingly, we will NOT be able to accommodate any walk-up registrants to the AM session. If you have not registered yet, or know someone who was planning on just showing up and registering day-of, please inform them / yourself / everyone that walk-up / on-site registrations will only be available for the PM session!

Everyone is more than welcome to come in the morning and watch / hang out / help, but unless you are previously registered online for the morning session, you will have to wait until the afternoon sessions to register and run for the day! NO EXCEPTIONS. I hope I've made this clear here, if you come early, I will be asking you to wait! I don't want anyone to be disappointed this Saturday.

Look forward to seeing everyone out there!


This message has also been posted in it's entirety at: http://forum.nccbmwcca.org/showthread.php?6046-NOTICE-NO-MORNING-WALKUP-ON-SITE-REGISTRATION-available-for-Event-1-3-20-10

fitchesbass
03-16-2010, 09:50 PM
Signed up! If there are any Z4 M Coupe drivers reading this thread...I want to ride along with one of you! I'm seriously considering one of those bad boys next year.

I'll be there with the Z4MC for this one and your welcome to ride with me as well ... although I make no promises of superstar runs on the first autox of the season :)

Let's hope the weather holds out this year - last year it was raining almost everytime!

ronh21
03-17-2010, 05:45 PM
Let's hope the weather holds out this year - last year it was raining almost everytime!

70 and sunny. I'm ready to get going. 16 cars so far in T2, a great looking group of "X" cars. It looks like someone really spread the word in the Subaru community :biggrin:

Too bad the "M" classes are so light, 5 total in four classes. Maybe we should just outlaw r-comps next year and absorb them all into "T" :cool:

RedMS3
03-17-2010, 06:49 PM
I'll be there with the Z4MC for this one and your welcome to ride with me as well ... although I make no promises of superstar runs on the first autox of the season :)

Let's hope the weather holds out this year - last year it was raining almost everytime!

Sweet! PM session, right?

@<hidden>: Egads! So many STis...going to be an interesting X2. I dunno whether to be excited or terrified that I'm classed with a 997 GT3.

irish44j
03-17-2010, 06:57 PM
how do you think I feel....I let most of those subies know about the event, and now they're gonna come and beat me, lol. Let's hope the guy with the 997 is really babying his car haha....

I want to know about that Miata in X1, frankly. Boost + R-comps + ???? to get him into that class? Or just classed wrong?

drq2q
03-17-2010, 07:36 PM
And me in a boat of a mostly stock Infiniti sedan..... we'll see how much I learned in class last Saturday. Yikes.

m3chaser
03-18-2010, 11:49 AM
I think if I am 5 seconds off T2's leader then I will putting the day down as a success. Feels good.

flohtingPoint
03-18-2010, 12:09 PM
It looks as though on-line reg is full now. Will walk-ups still be accepted for the PM session?

-Jim

Reach
03-18-2010, 01:08 PM
Yes! Online pre-registration is sold-out @<hidden> 100 slots for this event. We will re-evaluate that cap # for next event... it may be the same, it may not. BUT, we WILL ALLOW walk-up registrations for the PM session only this event.

Expect that to become the norm as well, walk-up registrations may be for PM sessions only by rule moving forward, so if you want AM... pre-register and do so early.

-Mike

flohtingPoint
03-18-2010, 01:16 PM
Mike, much thanks. I'll be there with my Corolla GTS then =)

civicexracer
03-18-2010, 01:39 PM
An S2K, an integra and a boat load of miatas.... This should be fun :)

RedMS3
03-18-2010, 05:04 PM
how do you think I feel....I let most of those subies know about the event, and now they're gonna come and beat me, lol. Let's hope the guy with the 997 is really babying his car haha....

I want to know about that Miata in X1, frankly. Boost + R-comps + ???? to get him into that class? Or just classed wrong?

Somebody call the whaaaaaambulance (or amber lamps?). I think you'll do fine. I REALLY want to hear that GT3 above 8k. I absolutely love that car. It's the next car I want after I get a Z4 M coupe :P

noelleslie
03-19-2010, 09:56 AM
I think if I am 5 seconds off T2's leader then I will putting the day down as a success. Feels good.

I drove with you during the school. I am taking your driving as a threat as serious as Ron and Woody - for good reason.

I think your times will speak for themselves.

mcoupemindy
03-19-2010, 10:01 AM
I drove with you during the school. I am taking your driving as a threat as serious as Ron and Woody - for good reason.

I think your times will speak for themselves.

With his new "cheater" tires and lack of power, I wouldn't be surprised if he whooped me this weekend.

darkfiber
03-19-2010, 11:15 AM
Yes! Online pre-registration is sold-out @<hidden> 100 slots for this event. We will re-evaluate that cap # for next event... it may be the same, it may not. BUT, we WILL ALLOW walk-up registrations for the PM session only this event.

Expect that to become the norm as well, walk-up registrations may be for PM sessions only by rule moving forward, so if you want AM... pre-register and do so early.

-Mike

Or maybe always allow walk up registration for BMW/Mini owners only. That seems more fair as just half of the cars signed up are BMWs.

mcoupemindy
03-19-2010, 11:17 AM
Or maybe always allow walk up registration for BMW/Mini owners only. That seems more fair as just half of the cars signed up are BMWs.

Remember that you don't need to own a BMW to be a part of the BMWCCA :cool:

S2KSEOUL
03-19-2010, 11:23 AM
Remember that you don't need to own a BMW to be a part of the BMWCCA :cool:

LOL, I just put my bmwcca window sticker in the back window of my Scion. The S2000 doesn't have a back window!

Vanish
03-19-2010, 12:10 PM
If I come for walk-up registration, is there a good chance I'll get a spot in the PM session? I didnt think it was gonna fill up which is why I didnt register sooner. How early should we come to get a spot?

mcoupemindy
03-19-2010, 01:26 PM
If I come for walk-up registration, is there a good chance I'll get a spot in the PM session? I didnt think it was gonna fill up which is why I didnt register sooner. How early should we come to get a spot?

We ARE permitting walk-up registrations for the PM session. Thanks!

Please arrive no later than 11:45 am.

joenationwide
03-19-2010, 01:50 PM
Is there a chance we could get turned away if we walked on in the PM session?

mcoupemindy
03-19-2010, 01:57 PM
Is there a chance we could get turned away if we walked on in the PM session?

I think that we should be able to accommodate ~20 walk-up registrations. That said, if we do have to turn people away, it will be on a first come, first serve basis. (I really hope that we can accommodate everyone who wishes to participate).

ronh21
03-19-2010, 06:00 PM
Is there a chance we could get turned away if we walked on in the PM session?

Only if you're planning to run in T2 :wink:



With his new "cheater" tires and lack of power, I wouldn't be surprised if he whooped me this weekend.

So, what is this year's "cheater" tire? Or will I have to wait until tomorrow to look myself?

woodym3
03-19-2010, 08:04 PM
So, what is this year's "cheater" tire? Or will I have to wait until tomorrow to look myself?

Ron, run out to your nearest Sears store tonight! Their Skidmore all-seasons, especially the May Pop XR is the tire to use for T2 this year.

m3chaser
03-19-2010, 10:23 PM
I drove with you during the school. I am taking your driving as a threat as serious as Ron and Woody - for good reason.

I think your times will speak for themselves.

That's a very big compliment coming from you Noel, but I fear that it was your teaching that helped me fair well at the school. You being in the car was possibly a lucky charm for me ahahaha.

m3chaser
03-19-2010, 10:25 PM
Ron, run out to your nearest Sears store tonight! Their Skidmore all-seasons, especially the May Pop XR is the tire to use for T2 this year.

You just run that same Skidmore tire with about 10 psi in each tire and the rest of us will have a fighting chance!

mdepena
03-20-2010, 03:40 PM
My son and I had a great time today. Thank you for all the hard work of the volunteers that helped to organize the event. Everything ran like clockwork, the course was challenging and fun. Just a great time!!!!

Can't wait for the next event.

civicexracer
03-20-2010, 05:22 PM
Had a great time as always. Can't wait to see the results. I believe my best was a 47.5(23?) and I think clean. I think my first runs raw time was in the high 46 but I plowed through the super short stop box since I was carrying so much speed to the finish. That's really my only gripe with the course, and I know I wasn't the only one to do that at the finish. We all know braking in a straight line is best, atleast give a couple more feet inside the stop box.

Hopefully I'll have my video up tomorrow. Didn't get my second run, camera shut off from the vibration on the lanch...

EDIT: after watching my vids, sounds like my third run was my best at 47.597, hopefully clean. Looking over the shoulders on timing, the computer didn't have any cones added from what I could tell...

RedMS3
03-20-2010, 05:24 PM
Whew, what beautiful weather today! Had a great time and got a nice tour around an M coupe from Darkfiber. Also, saw a Ford GT on 495 on my way back. Can' wait until the results come out and the next event!

satyrdog
03-20-2010, 05:33 PM
Had a great time today as usual. I wish I could figure out what I'm doing wrong and improve my time a bit. My best time today was 54.023 or something like that, will have to wait till the times are posted.

flohtingPoint
03-20-2010, 05:48 PM
Folks, I had a blast, great way to start off a season of autocross. I had three 49's in a row in the Corolla but none were flawless, but I'm hoping the gentle run I took which clocked in a 50 at the end was coneless.

This was my first time with your group, and I must say you are all a good lot. I'm glad you all enjoyed my announcing too =)

-Jim

irish44j
03-20-2010, 07:17 PM
Good event today guys. Fred, I am dialing in camber tomorrow. :P

will have a few crappy pics to post in a few minutes.

Claff
03-20-2010, 07:21 PM
It was a "challenging" course to say the least! I think the course was laid out in such a way that only the finest drivers could get a clean run in, and then only if all the stars aligned. I think I got five or six cones on my first run and only got a clean run in on my last (I hope!). I was happy with the times but not thrilled with the sloppiness. But I was running a car I don't usually autocross and only discovered yesterday while prepping it that my good wheel/tire combo doesn't work on said car. So I ran the wife's Mazdaspeed Miata on its everyday tires and slid the crate around quite a bit. Might not have been fast but it was fun to do and probably fun to watch as I teetered on the ragged edge of disaster in places. With a little more grip I probably would have been dangerous.

I bet you'll see me and the missus play with you guys again next month when you run in Waldorf. Autocrosses ten minutes from the driveway can't be passed up.

civicexracer
03-20-2010, 07:28 PM
It was a "challenging" course to say the least! I think the course was laid out in such a way that only the finest drivers could get a clean run in, and then only if all the stars aligned.

I'm really wondering if anyone got a full set of clean runs lol.

Claff
03-20-2010, 07:30 PM
My wonderful wife, who had not hit a cone in her entire autocross career (that admittedly only started last summer), got her first today. That's saying something.

flohtingPoint
03-20-2010, 07:31 PM
I'm really wondering if anyone got a full set of clean runs lol.

Too stagnant from winter. iRacing alone isn't enough so a surprise cone would jump out and bite me nearly every run =/

m3chaser
03-20-2010, 07:40 PM
I had a great time out there today. Where will the times be posted at whenever they are posted?

irish44j
03-20-2010, 07:46 PM
I'm really wondering if anyone got a full set of clean runs lol.

I thnk I only had 1 cone all day (I *think*)...and it was the first cone in the first slalom of my first run. Way to start.....

irish44j
03-20-2010, 07:51 PM
some photos. Yeah, I know most of them are non-BMWs...but I figured you guys had people out there taking shots of your cars for you. Most of mine are people I know or other subarus, plus that wicked E30M3....

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j85/irish44j/autocross%20random%20pics/NCC%20Autocross%20March%2010/IMG_2512.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j85/irish44j/autocross%20random%20pics/NCC%20Autocross%20March%2010/IMG_2515.jpg

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http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j85/irish44j/autocross%20random%20pics/NCC%20Autocross%20March%2010/IMG_2523.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j85/irish44j/autocross%20random%20pics/NCC%20Autocross%20March%2010/IMG_2525.jpg

irish44j
03-20-2010, 07:52 PM
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j85/irish44j/autocross%20random%20pics/NCC%20Autocross%20March%2010/IMG_2524.jpg

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RedMS3
03-20-2010, 07:57 PM
Good event today guys. Fred, I am dialing in camber tomorrow. :P

will have a few crappy pics to post in a few minutes.

haha! Ok Josh, maybe that's what you need to beat me. That, or a rerun.

Edit: great pictures! Sorry again that I failed to snap one on your final run :/

irish44j
03-20-2010, 08:23 PM
haha! Ok Josh, maybe that's what you need to beat me. That, or a rerun.

Edit: great pictures! Sorry again that I failed to snap one on your final run :/

no worries...my car is ugly anyways :)

How did the other MS3 do, any idea?

MazdaSC
03-20-2010, 08:43 PM
Irish44 you were right behind me all the way to Old Keene Mill Rd, I live in Bristow so I took Backlick over to the Fairfax County Parkway and then I jump on the back roads to Prince William County. Nice pics, hopefully I will see you at the Waldorf event in April, maybe even caravan over there with a few guys from my area.

RedMS3
03-20-2010, 08:46 PM
no worries...my car is ugly anyways :)

How did the other MS3 do, any idea?

Not sure, I didn't ask her about her times.

noelleslie
03-20-2010, 08:54 PM
That's a very big compliment coming from you Noel, but I fear that it was your teaching that helped me fair well at the school. You being in the car was possibly a lucky charm for me ahahaha.

Was I wrong?? Did you NOT kick some major butt? I believe you represented pretty well today. In fact, you can tone it down for next month about a few seconds.. OK?

This is me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3shuV6dGiU

I coned every run with the range running from 46 to 48 seconds and 1-3 cones. This was the first heat of the day.

With respect to the course, I think it was well designed and Sam deserves praise. It was tight, but I think it served the purposes of keeping people safe, and was designed in an intuitive and understandable manner that really helped drivers focus on driving - and not navigating.

To those who had difficulty on the course, I think some of the common errors were (1) carrying too much speed through the sweeper and going way wide - a little brake followed by a turn and back on the throttle seemed to keep a straighter line (2) braking and turning into the boxes like the one just after the sweeper and about 10 seconds before the end. On that, I drove with many people who attempted to dive into the box very fast, and then brake hard and turn hard. The car understeered and either took out cones or ended up very far off line. The remedy was to brake straighter and then, at the appropriate speed, make the turn. A good line also helped to reduce the amount of turning required.

I'm just commenting - I coned every run, but just wanted to point out what I observed, and commented to people most frequently to the people I drove with.

By the way... I'm supposed to be the novice coordinator, and actually enjoy that position, but I really only approach people who are obviously new, or have that "new" look. I don't really bother others since you all know what you are doing, but if anyone wants to get some insight as to what other people are seemingly doing wrong or right, or want commentary, or anything that I can help with... let me know. I felt happy with helping one of our intermediate drivers shave off a few seconds when he felt that he did not know where he could get faster today, and it felt rewarding.

In the time being, I will be looking at AJ and some others to continue my own progress.

Cheers

irish44j
03-20-2010, 08:57 PM
btw, best line of the day during the PM driver's meeting:

"uh oh, here comes the Italian Job"

or

"the cooper gang has arrived. this could be trouble"

drq2q
03-20-2010, 09:24 PM
I know I'm just a rookie and haven't seen many courses, but I really liked this one for exactly the reasons you stated. The focus on driving and not figuring out a labyrinth of cones. I had a total blast out there today and thanks to AJ riding shotgun, and making me go slow to go fast, got a pretty decent time considering this is just the second time I've done this. Consider me hooked :)

irish44j
03-20-2010, 09:33 PM
Irish44 you were right behind me all the way to Old Keene Mill Rd, I live in Bristow so I took Backlick over to the Fairfax County Parkway and then I jump on the back roads to Prince William County. Nice pics, hopefully I will see you at the Waldorf event in April, maybe even caravan over there with a few guys from my area.

yep, I knew it was you....you kept taking nice lines and speeds through the traffic, so I kept following you! You took the 95S exit pretty fast with that little mid-turn bump haha....I had to get on it to stay with you, thankfully still had the RE01R's on! Trips always go by faster when you're folllowing someone.

You might have gotten to the pkway faster going all the way up Old Keene Mill to the end where it intersects with Pkwy. I live right around there in Burke and on weekends with no traffic it's a fast trip. I'll definitely be at the Waldorf event if I can...I really like that lot, much cleaner surface than Bowie.

agreatham
03-20-2010, 09:57 PM
Great course, Sam. Anyone know when the real results will be posted? There's a box on the upper right hand of the NCC Autocross page that says "2010 Results" but the link in it points to the driving school results from 2008. Interesting since Noel was in the top 12 but not what everyone's looking for, I think. In the meantime, here's my 51.625 run for your viewing pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATYncZbqfVY. Thanks to AJ for showing me how to wiggle! Here's the video of the epic spin that was my second run: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVwzv1tblBI.

MazdaSC
03-20-2010, 10:32 PM
yep, I knew it was you....you kept taking nice lines and speeds through the traffic, so I kept following you! You took the 95S exit pretty fast with that little mid-turn bump haha....I had to get on it to stay with you, thankfully still had the RE01R's on! Trips always go by faster when you're folllowing someone.

You might have gotten to the pkway faster going all the way up Old Keene Mill to the end where it intersects with Pkwy. I live right around there in Burke and on weekends with no traffic it's a fast trip. I'll definitely be at the Waldorf event if I can...I really like that lot, much cleaner surface than Bowie.

Yeah, I kind of go that way out of habbit, but have tried just about every possibility to get to Henderson Rd. I work at Andrews AFB and carpool into work that way everyday and on the way home when the highways are screwed. My car bottomed out when I hit that bump, but I have taken that ramp many times before. See you at Waldorf.

irish44j
03-20-2010, 10:40 PM
Yeah, I kind of go that way out of habbit, but have tried just about every possibility to get to Henderson Rd. I work at Andrews AFB and carpool into work that way everyday and on the way home when the highways are screwed. My car bottomed out when I hit that bump, but I have taken that ramp many times before. See you at Waldorf.

I feel your pain. I work at another DoD complex in Suitland a mile or two from Andrews.....

MazdaSC
03-20-2010, 11:28 PM
I feel your pain. I work at another DoD complex in Suitland a mile or two from Andrews.....

Got to love that Woodrow Wilson Bridge..........

bogdan
03-20-2010, 11:54 PM
Kudos to all that volunteered to make today happen! Very good event!

I can see that I'm just a little bit rusty after the winter break... time to tighten the loose nut behind the wheel. :D

civicexracer
03-21-2010, 01:00 AM
+1 to Sam designing a great course. Clearly it was difficult with all the cone calls but that just makes us strive to bring our driving to a more precise level. Again, the only flaw I saw was the stop box. By far the shortest I've ever seen. I didn't realize it walking the course or even in my ride alongs. But, when driving my car coming out after that last box, I was flat out all the way to the finish and probably doing around 40mph. Just isn't enough room to stop in like 20ft.

I'm glad I could help out. I had a blast jumping in a bunch of different cars lol. I'm with Noel, I'm very willing to help out anyone who wants me to, but the ones with little to no experience should take priority. Not just for technical aspects but saftey, navigation and to help them get a better understanding of how things run at events. Also as Noel said, it's highly rewarding even for me. I helped Maria in the red 325i drop I believe about 5 seconds from her first run to her last. I was excited and wasn't even driving lol.

SamB325es
03-21-2010, 06:42 AM
The stop box was short because we were trying to sqeeze grid into a very short space(esp for 30 cars). If the box was straight it would have dumped you out into the grid lines. It was not ideal, but Bowie is tricky that way. I was able to stop with spent Sumitomos and no ABS so I thought it was ok. Again, not ideal. I am not sure how many cones I hit, But I had fun driving that course. I will post a vid soon.

Please stay tuned as the adventure continues in Waldorf!!!

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 06:48 AM
+1 to Sam designing a great course. Clearly it was difficult with all the cone calls but that just makes us strive to bring our driving to a more precise level. Again, the only flaw I saw was the stop box. By far the shortest I've ever seen. I didn't realize it walking the course or even in my ride alongs. But, when driving my car coming out after that last box, I was flat out all the way to the finish and probably doing around 40mph. Just isn't enough room to stop in like 20ft.

I'm glad I could help out. I had a blast jumping in a bunch of different cars lol. I'm with Noel, I'm very willing to help out anyone who wants me to, but the ones with little to no experience should take priority. Not just for technical aspects but saftey, navigation and to help them get a better understanding of how things run at events. Also as Noel said, it's highly rewarding even for me. I helped Maria in the red 325i drop I believe about 5 seconds from her first run to her last. I was excited and wasn't even driving lol.

You need better brakes son! If the cobra's and I could stop in that box, there's no reason that you couldn't. I can tell you that I for sure was doing more than 40 MPH in the straight to the finish.

Bob
03-21-2010, 07:50 AM
It was a "challenging" course to say the least! I think the course was laid out in such a way that only the finest drivers could get a clean run in, and then only if all the stars aligned. I think I got five or six cones on my first run and only got a clean run in on my last (I hope!). I was happy with the times but not thrilled with the sloppiness. But I was running a car I don't usually autocross and only discovered yesterday while prepping it that my good wheel/tire combo doesn't work on said car. So I ran the wife's Mazdaspeed Miata on its everyday tires and slid the crate around quite a bit. Might not have been fast but it was fun to do and probably fun to watch as I teetered on the ragged edge of disaster in places. With a little more grip I probably would have been dangerous.

I bet you'll see me and the missus play with you guys again next month when you run in Waldorf. Autocrosses ten minutes from the driveway can't be passed up.

So you're saying I still drive a "chick" car,"Wife's Mazdaspeed"!, I thought I had bought the manly model!, kudos to the course designer for actually getting 2nice sweepers out of that little lot, it has been been my least favorite venue for years, I wish the island straighteners had been maybe 20% less tight, but in retrospect, that may have meant some bent rims for at least 2 cars in the morning heat.

woodym3
03-21-2010, 07:54 AM
I can tell you that I for sure was doing more than 40 MPH in the straight to the finish.

There was a straight before the finish?

Although technically not a "stop box" because no stop was required, I agree that it was just a little too tight. If the safety of the cars on grid was an issue, perhaps it could have been moved further out into the lot.

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 07:56 AM
There was a straight before the finish?

Oh yes ... that little jog didn't squish off much speed.

m3chaser
03-21-2010, 08:05 AM
Was I wrong?? Did you NOT kick some major butt? I believe you represented pretty well today. In fact, you can tone it down for next month about a few seconds.. OK?

This is me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3shuV6dGiU

I coned every run with the range running from 46 to 48 seconds and 1-3 cones. This was the first heat of the day.

With respect to the course, I think it was well designed and Sam deserves praise. It was tight, but I think it served the purposes of keeping people safe, and was designed in an intuitive and understandable manner that really helped drivers focus on driving - and not navigating.

To those who had difficulty on the course, I think some of the common errors were (1) carrying too much speed through the sweeper and going way wide - a little brake followed by a turn and back on the throttle seemed to keep a straighter line (2) braking and turning into the boxes like the one just after the sweeper and about 10 seconds before the end. On that, I drove with many people who attempted to dive into the box very fast, and then brake hard and turn hard. The car understeered and either took out cones or ended up very far off line. The remedy was to brake straighter and then, at the appropriate speed, make the turn. A good line also helped to reduce the amount of turning required.

I'm just commenting - I coned every run, but just wanted to point out what I observed, and commented to people most frequently to the people I drove with.

By the way... I'm supposed to be the novice coordinator, and actually enjoy that position, but I really only approach people who are obviously new, or have that "new" look. I don't really bother others since you all know what you are doing, but if anyone wants to get some insight as to what other people are seemingly doing wrong or right, or want commentary, or anything that I can help with... let me know. I felt happy with helping one of our intermediate drivers shave off a few seconds when he felt that he did not know where he could get faster today, and it felt rewarding.

In the time being, I will be looking at AJ and some others to continue my own progress.

Cheers

Thanks so much Noel. I am was still well behind you as far as raw time goes (something like 1.5 seconds) and in my mind that is the true time. I believe my best time was a 47.9. I was definitely taking the last part of the course (after the chicane) wrong and didn't realize it until you pointed it out to me. I really appreciate the advice and I will take it with me to the coming events. My wife took some video of me on the last part of the course and it's pretty clear I was doing it wrong ahaha.


So you're saying I still drive a "chick" car,"Wife's Mazdaspeed"!, I thought I had bought the manly model!, kudos to the course designer for actually getting 2nice sweepers out of that little lot, it has been been my least favorite venue for years, I wish the island straighteners had been maybe 20% less tight, but in retrospect, that may have meant some bent rims for at least 2 cars in the morning heat.

+1 on the reasoning for the course layout. Sam I thought you did an outstanding job on the course and it was a great first course for my buddy in his Trans Am because it was easy to navigate. I look forward to the next course design.

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 08:37 AM
Thanks so much Noel. I am was still well behind you as far as raw time goes (something like 1.5 seconds) and in my mind that is the true time. I believe my best time was a 47.9. I was definitely taking the last part of the course (after the chicane) wrong and didn't realize it until you pointed it out to me. I really appreciate the advice and I will take it with me to the coming events. My wife took some video of me on the last part of the course and it's pretty clear I was doing it wrong ahaha.



+1 on the reasoning for the course layout. Sam I thought you did an outstanding job on the course and it was a great first course for my buddy in his Trans Am because it was easy to navigate. I look forward to the next course design.

I looked at your times after the event. Your best was a 48.xxx.

agreatham
03-21-2010, 09:29 AM
I'm glad I could help out. I had a blast jumping in a bunch of different cars lol. I'm with Noel, I'm very willing to help out anyone who wants me to, but the ones with little to no experience should take priority. Not just for technical aspects but saftey, navigation and to help them get a better understanding of how things run at events. Also as Noel said, it's highly rewarding even for me. I helped Maria in the red 325i drop I believe about 5 seconds from her first run to her last. I was excited and wasn't even driving lol.

You should start your own autocross school, AJ. You could book a parking lot for half a day and have half-hour one-on-one sessions, about 10 laps per person. I know there's at least two of us who would sign up!

civicexracer
03-21-2010, 09:31 AM
You need better brakes son! If the cobra's and I could stop in that box, there's no reason that you couldn't. I can tell you that I for sure was doing more than 40 MPH in the straight to the finish.

Well the cobras, and you(?) are on r-compounds which I'm sure helped. I was also on the gas until I crossed the finish lights. After my first run plowing thru the finish I had to lift off before crossing the line so I could stop in time. I can't really do any more with brakes. I have good pads, ss lines, slotted rotors, heavy springs(probably heavier than the cobras and my car dosen't weight much), and one of the best set of street tires available. I had no problems locking the brakes up, at that point it was a matter of grip to save me. Unfortuneatly, I cannot get a bigger brake kit in my class for scca and abs probably would have helped in this case.

As woodym3 said, maybe just pull the last part of the course into the lot a little more and allow for a little longer stop box.

But w/e, all said and done it was fun. Hopefully next time it can be made a bit more
open.

agreatham
03-21-2010, 09:32 AM
Do we have an ETA on the results? That empty "2010 Results" box is such a c-tease!

Petrovich
03-21-2010, 09:46 AM
Had a great time guys! Honestly I did not know what my Beemer could do until yesterday...first run was 59...last run 54.6 still a lot of room for improvement! Can't wait till April

Here is a couple of pics...Gatta Love the Metallic Blue

RedMS3
03-21-2010, 09:52 AM
Well the cobras, and you(?) are on r-compounds which I'm sure helped. I was also on the gas until I crossed the finish lights. After my first run plowing thru the finish I had to lift off before crossing the line so I could stop in time. I can't really do any more with brakes. I have good pads, ss lines, slotted rotors, heavy springs(probably heavier than the cobras and my car dosen't weight much), and one of the best set of street tires available. I had no problems locking the brakes up, at that point it was a matter of grip to save me. Unfortuneatly, I cannot get a bigger brake kit in my class for scca and abs probably would have helped in this case.
...
But w/e, all said and done it was fun. Hopefully next time it can be made a bit more
open.

I agree. If set up correctly, you had a straight shot going through the last 3 gates, but I would lay off the throttle at or just beyond the last gate before the stop box. I definitely didn't want to risk a dnf for a couple more tenths. Great fun and course design, though! Those tight turns around the islands really killed my boost for the following straights, but I tried to make up for it by maintaining as much speed as possible in the sweepers and fast chicane.

agreatham
03-21-2010, 10:13 AM
Here is a couple of pics...Gatta Love the Metallic Blue
Hey, I didn't get the memo about blue E46s running in the PM session!

ronh21
03-21-2010, 10:33 AM
...I wish the island straighteners had been maybe 20% less tight, but in retrospect, that may have meant some bent rims for at least 2 cars in the morning heat.

And at least one in the PM :eek: I wiped the cone wall out before the second set of islands pretty good. Took down four there, I think. It's pretty bad when they have to hold start so the course reconstruction crew can do it's thing :biggrin:

I had a good time yesterday. Great weather, and I liked the course. I agree that the stop box was a little sketchy for people getting through what was essentially one last sweeper fast. It was just another challenge. As someone else noted, it was nice for the newer drivers to not have to devote too much processing power to where the course was going. Many people don't seem to like Bowie, but the grip is good, the parking and grid situations are good, you can see the entire course (and hear times outside the car) during your own heat. Sweepers like that are fun and they aren't happening at MSP or Summit Point. I'm looking forward to what Waldorf has to offer.

In the end, I wasn't able to keep up with Scott in T2. I have video of my first run, but I haven't figured out yet how to edit out my NSFW commentary after taking down the Nemesis (cone at the end of the slalom that got me and most everyone else). It's not pretty.

It was also nice to see all of the students from the school out there having fun. It feels good to know we got 'em off and running.

irish44j
03-21-2010, 10:33 AM
Well the cobras, and you(?) are on r-compounds which I'm sure helped. I was also on the gas until I crossed the finish lights. After my first run plowing thru the finish I had to lift off before crossing the line so I could stop in time. I can't really do any more with brakes. I have good pads, ss lines, slotted rotors, heavy springs(probably heavier than the cobras and my car dosen't weight much), and one of the best set of street tires available. I had no problems locking the brakes up, at that point it was a matter of grip to save me. Unfortuneatly, I cannot get a bigger brake kit in my class for scca and abs probably would have helped in this case.

As woodym3 said, maybe just pull the last part of the course into the lot a little more and allow for a little longer stop box.

But w/e, all said and done it was fun. Hopefully next time it can be made a bit more
open.

lol...if Darius can stop the land-yacht with bad brakes (I know they're bad, I've owned one), everyone can!

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j85/irish44j/autocross%20random%20pics/NCC%20Autocross%20March%2010/IMG_2527.jpg

flohtingPoint
03-21-2010, 10:45 AM
lol...if Darius can stop the land-yacht with bad brakes (I know they're bad, I've owned one), everyone can!

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j85/irish44j/autocross%20random%20pics/NCC%20Autocross%20March%2010/IMG_2527.jpg

He was having lock-itis like I was yesterday. Just about every run coming into the final very slow left hander after the right hand sweeper, he was smoke screening.

ozdenkm
03-21-2010, 01:36 PM
This noob a great time out on my first autocross. Thanks guys for the ride-alongs and tips. I am already looking forward to next months event.

MazdaSC
03-21-2010, 01:50 PM
And at least one in the PM :eek: I wiped the cone wall out before the second set of islands pretty good. Took down four there, I think. It's pretty bad when they have to hold start so the course reconstruction crew can do it's thing :biggrin:

I had a good time yesterday. Great weather, and I liked the course. I agree that the stop box was a little sketchy for people getting through what was essentially one last sweeper fast. It was just another challenge. As someone else noted, it was nice for the newer drivers to not have to devote too much processing power to where the course was going. Many people don't seem to like Bowie, but the grip is good, the parking and grid situations are good, you can see the entire course (and hear times outside the car) during your own heat. Sweepers like that are fun and they aren't happening at MSP or Summit Point. I'm looking forward to what Waldorf has to offer.

In the end, I wasn't able to keep up with Scott in T2. I have video of my first run, but I haven't figured out yet how to edit out my NSFW commentary after taking down the Nemesis. It's not pretty.

It was also nice to see all of the students from the school out there having fun. It feels good to know we got 'em off and running.

I am jealous of you guys in T2 seems like the most competitive group to run with and a good bunch of guys, even if I can't run in the same class that is still how I will try and guage my overall result. What if I bought some BMW badges.:biggrin:

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 02:18 PM
Well the cobras, and you(?) are on r-compounds which I'm sure helped. I was also on the gas until I crossed the finish lights. After my first run plowing thru the finish I had to lift off before crossing the line so I could stop in time. I can't really do any more with brakes. I have good pads, ss lines, slotted rotors, heavy springs(probably heavier than the cobras and my car dosen't weight much), and one of the best set of street tires available. I had no problems locking the brakes up, at that point it was a matter of grip to save me. Unfortuneatly, I cannot get a bigger brake kit in my class for scca and abs probably would have helped in this case.

As woodym3 said, maybe just pull the last part of the course into the lot a little more and allow for a little longer stop box.

But w/e, all said and done it was fun. Hopefully next time it can be made a bit more
open.

I was on my $50 craigslist tires. HA HA HA.

Just giving you a hard time. I know you were driving the snot out of the finish area.

civicexracer
03-21-2010, 02:56 PM
Here's my video. Since I don't know the exact times or cones I just put estimates. I see a couple areas I could have improved on but nothing too significant. Lack of power killed me after the second crossover going up the hill :frown:. Didn't get my second run, camera shut off from the launch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqTv3N4RQl4

irish44j
03-21-2010, 03:07 PM
Here's my video. Since I don't know the exact times or cones I just put estimates. I see a couple areas I could have improved on but nothing too significant. Lack of power killed me after the second crossover going up the hill :frown:. Didn't get my second run, camera shut off from the launch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqTv3N4RQl4

watching your video, particularly the part at that last hairpin before the finish section, makes me doubly angry at how badly I fubar'd that turn on my last two (fastest) runs and lost at least a second on both over taking the correct line like you did :(

irish44j
03-21-2010, 03:14 PM
anyone have a link to the results page (even if they're not posted yet)? I can't find where results are for anything....

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 03:16 PM
anyone have a link to the results page (even if they're not posted yet)? I can't find where results are for anything....

Not posted yet. Maybe by tonight.

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 03:22 PM
Not posted yet. Maybe by tonight.

Your wish is now granted. Results available at www.nccautocross.com

drq2q
03-21-2010, 03:38 PM
Your wish is now granted. Results available at www.nccautocross.com

Any idea why I'm not granted access to that link? I'm a member and logged in.....

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 03:40 PM
Any idea why I'm not granted access to that link? I'm a member and logged in.....

No idea. Can you view it here: http://www.nccbmwcca.org/content.php?117

drq2q
03-21-2010, 03:43 PM
No idea. Can you view it here: http://www.nccbmwcca.org/content.php?117

Sorry to be a pain but that just looped me back to the same page again.

Reach
03-21-2010, 03:44 PM
Jonathan,

The content 117 page just redirects to the nccautocross homepage right now.

The link is giving a permissions error for normal users. Might have to contact Steven.


Reach, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 03:45 PM
Jonathan,

The content 117 page just redirects to the nccautocross homepage right now.

The link is giving a permissions error for normal users. Might have to contact Steven.

Are you looking under 2010 results on the left side of the page???

MazdaSC
03-21-2010, 03:52 PM
Found the results, don't know where I picked up a cone on my final run however?

1996 328ti
03-21-2010, 03:56 PM
Jonathan,

The content 117 page just redirects to the nccautocross homepage right now.

The link is giving a permissions error for normal users. Might have to contact Steven.Permissions error.
Should be OK now.

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 03:56 PM
Found the results, don't know where I picked up a cone on my final run however?

Gotta watch out for those cones, they just knock themselves over or run out in front of you :cool:

I would almost guarantee that it was the last cone in the chicane ... that was the most frequent violation.

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 03:57 PM
Permissions error.
Should be OK now.

Thanks Steven for helping work out the bugs. The first time is always the most painful.

drq2q
03-21-2010, 03:57 PM
Thanks Steven for helping work out the bugs. The first time is always the most painful.

Got it. Thanks guys.

m3chaser
03-21-2010, 04:04 PM
I looked at your times after the event. Your best was a 48.xxx.

My best a 48.xxx yes, but my best raw time was a 47.9xx and that's still a 47!

KatieT
03-21-2010, 04:06 PM
I took 1380 pics yesterday and am working on sorting through them. I'll let you guys know when they're up!

~Katie

adam
03-21-2010, 04:10 PM
I took 1380 pics yesterday and am working on sorting through them. I'll let you guys know when they're up!

~Katie

Wow so many!!! I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say 'thanks'!

Not that it matters, but my 3rd run was not off course - I decided not to wipe out a bunch of cones coming back up to the top of the course (right after the sweeper and right before the islands) and did a doughnut or 2 to turn around then continue on my merry way.

-- Adam

Reach
03-21-2010, 04:13 PM
OMG, my first class win in the history of me doing this, I'm blushing.

T1 had better times in our cars than we turned in, clearly.

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 04:32 PM
My best a 48.xxx yes, but my best raw time was a 47.9xx and that's still a 47!

This is not drag racing ...

alexmarksthespot
03-21-2010, 04:43 PM
Wow so many!!! I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say 'thanks'!

Not that it matters, but my 3rd run was not off course - I decided not to wipe out a bunch of cones coming back up to the top of the course (right after the sweeper and right before the islands) and did a doughnut or 2 to turn around then continue on my merry way.

-- Adam


Make a post to fix your car info hun its all wrong.

irish44j
03-21-2010, 05:01 PM
very happy with my times considering my stock alignment/camber settings and very basic mods.
2nd fastest Subaru (out of 10)
no cones on my last 3 runs
know exactly where I left a full second or so on my best run....

Stupid $100k Porsche GT3 kept me off the podium. That's simply not fair lol.....

Also, I noticed that my buddy Darius (the guy with the black Maxima) is listed as driving a Red 240sx in Modified 1...uh...hmm. He was in a black maxima in X3 lol...



I say that there should be an "X0" class for the FFRs!

irish44j
03-21-2010, 05:04 PM
@<hidden> - Happy someone will post better pics than the crap I took haha......were you there for the 2nd PM run group?

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 05:04 PM
very happy with my times considering my stock alignment/camber settings and very basic mods.
17th best time overall out of 115 cars
2nd fastest Subaru out of 10 cars
no cones on my last 3 runs
know exactly where I left a full second or so on my best run....

Stupid $100k Porsche GT3 kept me off the podium. That's simply not fair :P

Also, I noticed that my buddy Darius (the guy with the black Maxima) is listed as driving a Red 240sx in Modified 1...uh...hmm. He was in a black maxima in X3 lol...

You better tell Mr. Darius to register with the correct car - http://www.dlbracing.com/clubs/drivers.aspx?EventID=4215&LMID=2913

Please make a post in the results correction thread. Thanks.

Reach
03-21-2010, 05:08 PM
I already posted about darius in the correction thread.

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 05:09 PM
I already posted about darius in the correction thread.

Did you mention the change in the make and model?

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 05:11 PM
Jumping cones, you need to watch for them ...

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/815799859_C66BF-X3.jpg

(Sorry course workers ...)

irish44j
03-21-2010, 05:12 PM
You better tell Mr. Darius to register with the correct car - http://www.dlbracing.com/clubs/drivers.aspx?EventID=4215&LMID=2913
.

He gets confused between his imaginary car and his real one sometimes...

civicexracer
03-21-2010, 05:16 PM
ugh man 1st run 46.748 and I think it was clean too... damn stop box! Oh well, I can stop holding my breath for that clean 47.593... Was anticipating the results wondering if it were clean or not.

and WOW, there are actually people who made 4 clean runs. Congrats to:
Steele, Jeff
McVeay, Craig
Higgins, Christopher
Arthur, David

4 out of 115(?) had clean runs, damn lol. I've never seen so many +1-9 and +OFF's, ever! lmao.

Reach
03-21-2010, 05:16 PM
To all of our Event #1 participants, who are NOT already registered for a Season Subscription...

The committee has made available, for a very limited time, the ability for you to convert your registration to a Season Subscription! Sign up now, and you will be guaranteed your choice of run session, car number, and your registration will be good for the entire year. The best perk of all is of course a discounted rate on the remaining events.

Please take advantage of this limited time offer. The registration link below will remain valid until this Thursday at 11:59PM. After that, it will be event-by-event for the rest of the year. No further Season Subscriptions will be offered.

Here's the link: http://www.dlbracing.com/clubs/nccbmwcca/register.aspx?EventID=4202&LMID=2912

We hope to see you out there at all of our NCC Autocross events!

Reach
03-21-2010, 05:17 PM
Did you mention the change in the make and model?
No, I just asked to throw his results in the correct class.

KatieT
03-21-2010, 05:27 PM
Moose and I were there all day. I took 250-300 each heat and the second AM group had more because I let Bogdan abscond with my camera. We're working on uploading now and then I'll post the link.

~Katie

Chris540i6
03-21-2010, 05:31 PM
HAHA who would have thought a 5-series would take showroom!?! What an awesome day, it really helped to work the course first and see everyone chopping up the slalom and blasting the last cone through the chicane. I thought I hit like 3 cones on my last run which was 50.5 or so but it was only 1!!! damn it

Motron
03-21-2010, 05:32 PM
and WOW, there are actually people who made 4 clean runs. Congrats to:
Steele, Jeff

Thanks, but the trade off was a fastest time of only 55.969 and fifth in my class. I was tip-toeing through the boxes. Next time I won't be so afraid to sacrifice a few cones.

SamB325es
03-21-2010, 05:33 PM
ugh man 1st run 46.748 and I think it was clean too... damn stop box! Oh well, I can stop holding my breath for that clean 47.593... Was anticipating the results wondering if it were clean or not.

and WOW, there are actually people who made 4 clean runs. Congrats to:
Steele, Jeff
McVeay, Craig
Higgins, Christopher
Arthur, David

4 out of 115(?) had clean runs, damn lol. I've never seen so many +1-9 and +OFF's, ever! lmao.

I hope people still had fun. It is more than than normal, but hitting cones is part of autocross.

For the next event we can do 6 pointer cones and a 1/4 mile stop box.

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 05:35 PM
I hope people still had fun. It is more than than normal, but hitting cones is part of autocross.

For the next event we can do 6 pointer cones and a 1/4 mile stop box.

I'd prefer a 1/2 mile straight then a 1/4 mile stopbox please. K thx bye. :)

RedMS3
03-21-2010, 05:37 PM
Here's my video. Since I don't know the exact times or cones I just put estimates. I see a couple areas I could have improved on but nothing too significant. Lack of power killed me after the second crossover going up the hill :frown:. Didn't get my second run, camera shut off from the launch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqTv3N4RQl4

I almost took this exact line (I went wider before the entrance to the chicane) through the course on my best run, but it looks like you still had almost 2 seconds on me! Sorry to see that you nailed a stop box cone, that was a great run.

Overall, I'm very happy with my line, time, and place! I felt much more composed than I did last season, and I attribute this to not hauling ass into slow turns and understeering like crazy. I really tried to focus on maintaining momentum just before the islands exiting the lower lot so that I could be flat-out for a longer period of time leading up to, and through, the chicane.

EDIT: Since Josh likes to mention stock settings, I thought I'd say that I'm 100% stock in case he says otherwise ;) (Yes, Potenza RE05As are stock on the first gen MS3...so is the K04 at 15.6PSI.)

drq2q
03-21-2010, 05:42 PM
2nd event ever + stock non-sport suspension + school last weekend + great driving advice from everyone I talked to = 3 clean runs and a mid-pack finish. I'm cool with that.

irish44j
03-21-2010, 05:45 PM
To all of our Event #1 participants, who are NOT already registered for a Season Subscription...

The committee has made available, for a very limited time, the ability for you to convert your registration to a Season Subscription! Sign up now, and you will be guaranteed your choice of run session, car number, and your registration will be good for the entire year. The best perk of all is of course a discounted rate on the remaining events.

Please take advantage of this limited time offer. The registration link below will remain valid until this Thursday at 11:59PM. After that, it will be event-by-event for the rest of the year. No further Season Subscriptions will be offered.

Here's the link: http://www.dlbracing.com/clubs/nccbmwcca/register.aspx?EventID=4202&LMID=2912

We hope to see you out there at all of our NCC Autocross events!

Quick question - although I would generally run in the PM sessions, there may be a few events where I'd rather do the AM. If I sign up for the subscription, will I be able to swich AM and PM as I want to?

Also, is this open to non-BMWCCA members too?

irish44j
03-21-2010, 05:47 PM
EDIT: Since Josh likes to mention stock settings, I thought I'd say that I'm 100% stock in case he says otherwise ;) (Yes, Potenza RE05As are stock on the first gen MS3...so is the K04 at 15.6PSI.)

Actually I was just telling my wife like 5 minutes ago how you were bone-stock and how impressive it was that you were putting up times like that, beating that GT3 as well....

I compare my "relative stockness" to most of the other Subies that were out there :D

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 05:50 PM
Quick question - although I would generally run in the PM sessions, there may be a few events where I'd rather do the AM. If I sign up for the subscription, will I be able to swich AM and PM as I want to?

Sure. All you need to do is change your registration in DLB Racing before the AM session fills up.

And this can be done on an event by event basis.

flohtingPoint
03-21-2010, 06:16 PM
4 out of 115(?) had clean runs, damn lol. I've never seen so many +1-9 and +OFF's, ever! lmao.

A lot of folks shaking off winter dust I guess.

RedMS3
03-21-2010, 06:17 PM
Actually I was just telling my wife like 5 minutes ago how you were bone-stock and how impressive it was that you were putting up times like that, beating that GT3 as well....

I compare my "relative stockness" to most of the other Subies that were out there :D

Oh :) Well, that was nice of you. Now I feel bad for preemptively mentioning it now, lol. I was just lucky that GT3 had an affinity for cones.

S2KSEOUL
03-21-2010, 06:31 PM
Hahaha! I worked that corner, at least you hit them with AUTHORITY!
Jumping cones, you need to watch for them ...

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/815799859_C66BF-X3.jpg

(Sorry course workers ...)

S2KSEOUL
03-21-2010, 06:35 PM
Just a suggestion, when times are announced at the end of the run could the +cones or "off course" also be announced. That way people like myself would know that they missed the same gate every run! Sucks working on my suspension for two weeks just to have DNS after every time. Thanks! Still had a lot of fun though. Loved the course and met some new peeps.

fitchesbass
03-21-2010, 06:36 PM
I had a great time - the weather was perfect! I didn't drive too well unfortunately, but regardless it was nice to get out and enjoy the car considering a month ago there was snow on the ground. Thinking it might be time to get rid of the stock crappy conti's... they don't seem to be helping anything :)

As always thanks to everyone that pull the event together!

irish44j
03-21-2010, 06:39 PM
Just a suggestion, when times are announced at the end of the run could the +cones or "off course" also be announced. That way people like myself would know that they missed the same gate every run! Sucks working on my suspension for two weeks just to have DNS after every time. Thanks! Still had a lot of fun though. Loved the course and met some new peeps.

I think at this event they didn't have the final cone tally on-tap immediately, since the time announcer is standing over by the finish gate, not in the tent with the timing computers and the guy who is marking down the cone hits (at least at this event).

fitchesbass
03-21-2010, 06:40 PM
Just a suggestion, when times are announced at the end of the run could the +cones or "off course" also be announced. That way people like myself would know that they missed the same gate every run! Sucks working on my suspension for two weeks just to have DNS after every time. Thanks! Still had a lot of fun though. Loved the course and met some new peeps.

During the afternoon session, first heat, I was talking with the guy that was announcing the times. The problem was that the time and person announcing the times weren't near the tent and didn't have a walkie talkie to hear of any cones / off-course adventures from course workers. It's a good idea, and I think we even mentioned it during the event, but unfortunately there were only so many walkie talkies to go around... and priority goes to the course workers.

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 06:41 PM
Just a suggestion, when times are announced at the end of the run could the +cones or "off course" also be announced. That way people like myself would know that they missed the same gate every run! Sucks working on my suspension for two weeks just to have DNS after every time. Thanks! Still had a lot of fun though. Loved the course and met some new peeps.

I understand about the times ... we will work on a solution for future events.

irish44j
03-21-2010, 06:46 PM
Sure. All you need to do is change your registration in DLB Racing before the AM session fills up.

And this can be done on an event by event basis.

also, is this for BMWCCA members only, or the rest of us joes too?

S2KSEOUL
03-21-2010, 06:52 PM
Oh, forgot to post my vid, looks like I use the point and shoot method of driving:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVlhDe4RwWM

Claff
03-21-2010, 06:54 PM
I'm real happy to get third in class (X3), just a blink out of second and less than a second from the win. That's a nice confidence boost heading into the SCCA and AI seasons even though I'll be running different cars in those events.

Looking forward to seeing the pictures, and seeing everyone in Waldorf next month.

civicexracer
03-21-2010, 07:02 PM
I hope people still had fun. It is more than than normal, but hitting cones is part of autocross.

For the next event we can do 6 pointer cones and a 1/4 mile stop box.

From what it sounds like, just about everyone enjoyed the course. Tight sections of the course mixed in with waking up after sitting idle over winter I'm sure is the reason for the cones. Like I said, makes us even better and forces us to be more precise.

jbrannon7
03-21-2010, 07:09 PM
I was working the course near the finish and there was a problem in that 4 or 5 cars in the heat I worked had numbers only on the drivers side. So when they hit a cone we had to chase them to the grid to get the number of thier car. If there were 4 or 5 cars in my working heat alone that could have meant 20 cars did not display numbers on both sides. Also there were some cars that had very small white shoe polish numbers on the rear glass that were difficult to see. I think numbers should be easy to see on BOTH SIDES of the car and should be present for tech inspection. SCCA and Autocrossers Inc require 8 inch numbers on both sides.

Also the blue Cobra Coupe replica had permanent number 20 on his car and a very small blue tape number 25 that could not be seen from our worker station so the real car number 20, that had numbers only on the drivers side, may have had cones called against him that he didn't hit, however if he had put numbers on BOTH sides of his car we could have seen that 2 cars were running number 20 and may have saved him a cone call or 2.

Joe

ronh21
03-21-2010, 07:14 PM
One more video, just for fun. I only got my first run. I coned at the end of the slalom, and dubbed over the resulting language (pretty sure I heard the same thing on another vid) :redface: Still just fooling with iMovie, so don't mind the stupid sound fx. This run was a 46.725+1. In later runs I went flat and straight through the chicane and fixed the problem with the second sweeper, but only picked up .55 sec. That would have been good enough if Scott hadn't shown up to run an insane 45.733 in Steven K's car.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEVUF_doWqw

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 07:20 PM
also, is this for BMWCCA members only, or the rest of us joes too?

BMWCCA Members only ... you should just sign-up for membership ... don't have to be a BMW owner to be part of the BMWCCA.

RedMS3
03-21-2010, 07:42 PM
Oh, forgot to post my vid, looks like I use the point and shoot method of driving:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVlhDe4RwWM

Not bad. I'd definitely try to get more "ahead" of the cones in the slalom. Was this your fastest run? I'm not sure if you had the same off on all of your other runs, where you skipped the gate just after the pointer cone when entering the low lot. I would have also stayed a bit wider heading into the Chicago box after the large sweeper to decrease the radius of that turn. In my opinion, it would take you wider going into the final section and you can floor it in a relatively straight line through the final 3 gates.

RedMS3
03-21-2010, 07:45 PM
BMWCCA Members only ... you should just sign-up for membership ... don't have to be a BMW owner to be part of the BMWCCA.

Not to mention that the BMWCCA membership pays for itself after attending like 4 or 5 events if you don't go for a subscription.

Luda
03-21-2010, 07:53 PM
Id like to give a big thanks to all the drivers that came out, and of course our committee and volunteer force. It takes alot of people to run these events and you all make it happen!

in regards to the announcing, We will have that issue resolved at future events.

Did anyone listen in on the fm station? if you did how did it sound?

irish44j
03-21-2010, 07:55 PM
BMWCCA Members only ... you should just sign-up for membership ... don't have to be a BMW owner to be part of the BMWCCA.

I know, I know....I do enjoy running with you guys, but already paying dues to too many other clubs (mostly for vintage car clubs) that I don't use the benefits of, and BMWCCA benefits probably aren't really worth it for someone who doesn't need to buy BMW discounted parts/cars or read Roundel or go to Oktober-fest, etc. Even if I joined and got the season subscription, it would probably not break even for me since I know I have to miss at least 2 events....

EDIT: joined BMWCCA because that will be a money-saver for me with the per-event discount, but holding off on the subscription since I don't know how many events I"ll make.

otranscendental
03-21-2010, 07:58 PM
Hey guys! Who should I talk to about the results? My best time wasn't recorded.... I ran as first car (206) in the second half because of a Re-run that was unaccounted for.

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 08:17 PM
Hey guys! Who should I talk to about the results? My best time wasn't recorded.... I ran as first car (206) in the second half because of a Re-run that was unaccounted for.

Please post here (follow the instructions): http://forum.nccbmwcca.org/showthread.php?6061-Results-Need-Corrected-All-Corrections-MUST-Be-Posted-Here!

SamB325es
03-21-2010, 08:26 PM
This was my last run. I was pushing too hard through the finish and crushed the last cone before the lights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twCmHa868m0

Highflyr777
03-21-2010, 09:55 PM
That was a good run, Sam. Great course had a blast! For some reason my stupid camera didn't record 1 lap so I can't even see where I dropped the ball.

rob135i
03-21-2010, 10:07 PM
Thanks everyone for a fun day. What a great course and fantastic people for a 1st autocross. I am really proud of my 8.5 second improvement from my first to last run.

KatieT
03-21-2010, 10:18 PM
Pics are up! Keep in mind that any profits go back in to the autocross program. You can get anything from the digital downloads to prints to novelty items (coffee mug anyone?). You can also leave comments or rank the pics as you like. Let me know what you think!

http://katiethayer.smugmug.com/NCC-Autocross

~Katie

agreatham
03-21-2010, 10:27 PM
I understand about the times ... we will work on a solution for future events.

Why don't you make the person running timing do the announcing as well?

fitchesbass
03-21-2010, 10:30 PM
Here is a little video I put together trying out the new camera.... Watching the videos over and over again, I realize all the little dumb mistakes I made... I think I lost a lot of time on the second half of the course. Oversteering the showcase turn (oops LOL) and then taking a bad angle on the last major turn.

Regardless, I had a great time. I added a little musik for fun. (the beginning is shaky because I was trying to how the tiny GoPro camera with my hand - which didn't work out as well as I had hoped).

http://vimeo.com/10319738

mdepena
03-21-2010, 10:31 PM
Katie - fabulous job!!!

irish44j
03-21-2010, 10:33 PM
great pics Katie - hey, I've not really used smugmug before and just wondering re: "using" the pics - I assume that it's not a problem posting them on car forums (for me NASIOC) and things like that?

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 10:35 PM
Why don't you make the person running timing do the announcing as well?

It's too much chaos for one person. Trust me on that one. Bowie is easy to time with only two cars on course, but it gets even crazier with three or four.

fitchesbass
03-21-2010, 10:38 PM
Why don't you make the person running timing do the announcing as well?

True, although for this last event the person announcing the times had no view of about 3/4s of the course and didnt have a walkie talkie to hear the course workers. That should be an easy fix for future events, I would think.

:)

mcoupemindy
03-21-2010, 10:38 PM
great pics Katie - hey, I've not really used smugmug before and just wondering re: "using" the pics - I assume that it's not a problem posting them on car forums (for me NASIOC) and things like that?

Your donation(s) definitely help out. Feel free to post them anywhere you want (less a commercial use of course).

Are those gold wheels stock on your car? They look great!

agreatham
03-21-2010, 10:46 PM
The committee has made available, for a very limited time, the ability for you to convert your registration to a Season Subscription!

Thanks for doing this. I just wish someone else hadn't already taken the answer to life, the universe and everything.

irish44j
03-21-2010, 10:48 PM
Your donation(s) definitely help out. Feel free to post them anywhere you want (less a commercial use of course).

Are those gold wheels stock on your car? They look great!

Thanks, they're just Rota SDRs with "custom" centercaps designed by my 2 1/2 year old daughter (um, pink and red with an "a" on them). I like them on the car, but for street driving I like to keep a low profile and not attract attention so I don't use them much on the street (probably why I have a WRX that looks like a corolla and not a rally car, lol). Plus RE01s aren't ideal for my lousy-road commute....

my summer wheels are the same wheels in gray (with my stock tires)

my winter wheels are my stock wheels (with Wintersport 3D)

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j85/irish44j/autocross%20random%20pics/NCC%20Autocross%20March%2010/20273129-DSC_1591.jpg

summer/street
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j85/irish44j/Summit%20NCC%20Autocrosss%2011Jul09/summitautox019.jpg

stockers
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j85/irish44j/Feb%202010%20Blizzard/IMG_2349.jpg

fitchesbass
03-21-2010, 10:48 PM
Thanks Katie - awesome shots as always!

irish44j
03-21-2010, 10:50 PM
^^hmm...guess I could have just said "see my signature" lol..oh well, I'm a photo whore anyways.

Petrovich
03-21-2010, 11:30 PM
a seriously noob question....every time its a totally different course set up? or the cones are more or less in the same arrangement...also how come no Benzs or Audi's?! I told my buddy about this place and i will def be bringing him with next time, he has a Audi Alltrack twin turbo 6 speed chipped...Basically a station wagon soccer mom ride with 340+hp...can't wait to see what runs.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab233/E46_petrovich/IMG_1820.jpg

fitchesbass
03-21-2010, 11:45 PM
a seriously noob question....every time its a totally different course set up? or the cones are more or less in the same arrangement...also how come no Benzs or Audi's?! I told my buddy about this place and i will def be bringing him with next time, he has a Audi Alltrack twin turbo 6 speed chipped...Basically a station wagon soccer mom ride with 340+hp...can't wait to see what runs.

Different course every time. That's part of the challenge with autocrossing...the fact that it's a new layout each time and it's new to everyone.

Benzs only have slush boxes and Audi driver's are too busy starring at their LED headlights? JK... :rolleyes:

Luda
03-22-2010, 01:35 AM
True, although for this last event the person announcing the times had no view of about 3/4s of the course and didnt have a walkie talkie to hear the course workers. That should be an easy fix for future events, I would think.

:)

That was an oversight on setup, but it was noted and corrected for future events. The announcer will be sitting with the timing crew to call out times and penalty for all future events.

Claff
03-22-2010, 05:43 AM
also how come no Benzs or Audi's?! I told my buddy about this place and i will def be bringing him with next time, he has a Audi Alltrack twin turbo 6 speed chipped...Basically a station wagon soccer mom ride with 340+hp...can't wait to see what runs.

Can't explain the lack of Audis or MBs this time around. Last October when I ran there were a couple of pretty impressive examples of both in the afternoon session. I can't get into specifics since I don't know jack about which model is which with either brand. I do know one of the Benzes had folks oohing and aahing pretty good.

The variety of what shows up to autocross is one of the big attractions. Some groups are more diverse than others. At a CDC event you'll have everything from the phony Cobras to a Morgan or a Jensen Healey or a TR-6. My pretty typical autocrossing Miata was almost beat by a purple MGB-GT last fall. That would have been embarrassing.

turbosporttsi
03-22-2010, 07:04 AM
Jonathan and Katie, I can't believe how fast you got the results and pics up! Thank you, as always.:)

Also, thanks to everyone who worked hard to make this event run as smoothly as it did. I had a great time.

joenationwide
03-22-2010, 08:12 AM
One more video, just for fun. I only got my first run. I coned at the end of the slalom, and dubbed over the resulting language (pretty sure I heard the same thing on another vid) :redface: Still just fooling with iMovie, so don't mind the stupid sound fx. This run was a 46.725+1. In later runs I went flat and straight through the chicane and fixed the problem with the second sweeper, but only picked up .55 sec. That would have been good enough if Scott hadn't shown up to run an insane 45.733 in Steven K's car.


Hey Ron, nice runs! You have good instincts. Steve told me that you were faster in the last sweeper. I had to keep my mistakes to a minimum to stay ahead of yah! It was pretty fun going through that kink coming up the hill WOT wasn't it?

Good job on the course Sam. It definitely drove faster than it looked. I know its hard to design a course with those islands, just keep trying different things.

I had a lot of fun on Saturday, it was good to see old friends and meet some new ones. Thanks for the pictures Katie (btw-- can we save them??). And thanks Steve for letting me co-drive!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/joenationwide/3-20-2010_Scott_bmwcca_Bowie.jpg

woodym3
03-22-2010, 08:32 AM
That was an oversight on setup, but it was noted and corrected for future events. The announcer will be sitting with the timing crew to call out times and penalty for all future events.


And hopefully names.

RedMS3
03-22-2010, 08:44 AM
Can't explain the lack of Audis or MBs this time around. Last October when I ran there were a couple of pretty impressive examples of both in the afternoon session. I can't get into specifics since I don't know jack about which model is which with either brand. I do know one of the Benzes had folks oohing and aahing pretty good.

The variety of what shows up to autocross is one of the big attractions. Some groups are more diverse than others. At a CDC event you'll have everything from the phony Cobras to a Morgan or a Jensen Healey or a TR-6. My pretty typical autocrossing Miata was almost beat by a purple MGB-GT last fall. That would have been embarrassing.

I remember a 07 or 08 black C63 AMG getting sideways at the Bowie venue last year. Car is a monster.

mdepena
03-22-2010, 09:13 AM
What model of HJC Helmets were the loaners? I really liked them and want to buy one.

mcoupemindy
03-22-2010, 09:33 AM
What model of HJC Helmets were the loaners? I really liked them and want to buy one.

HJC CL-31 - Just make 100% sure it's SNELL rated, not just DOT.

wade chamberlain
03-22-2010, 11:14 AM
It sure felt good to shake off some winter cobwebs this weekend, and what a nice day! Thanks for taking all the pics Katie...there are some great ones. :)

ronh21
03-22-2010, 12:01 PM
I remember a 07 or 08 black C63 AMG getting sideways at the Bowie venue last year. Car is a monster.

I believe a couple of those guys at the Bowie event were asked not to come back after doing donuts on the course , then later in the back of the parking lot as well.

The MB guys (not the ones that joined us last year) have their own season series that they do, all events on the same Winchester lot. They don't need us :-) They get 40-50 cars, do 4 AM and 4 PM runs, and break for lunch. I do as many as I can. One of their main guys is Ted Joseph, who's also part of the Capital Driving Club org.

agreatham
03-22-2010, 12:39 PM
It's too much chaos for one person. Trust me on that one. Bowie is easy to time with only two cars on course, but it gets even crazier with three or four.

I've done it before with three active timers and there are plenty of people who are better at it than I am. How about having the backup timer do the announcing? He/she will just be reading what they have to write down anyway.

mcoupemindy
03-22-2010, 12:41 PM
I've done it before with three active timers and there are plenty of people who are better at it than I am. How about having the backup timer do the announcing? He/she will just be reading what they have to write down anyway.

Do I hear you volunteering to run timing? :)

Reach
03-22-2010, 12:47 PM
I heard it! Mike will be timing a session at the next event. :)

mcoupemindy
03-22-2010, 12:50 PM
I heard it! Mike will be timing a session at the next event. :)

I think that he asked for a challenge. He's going to be working timing at our Summit Point events where I can put four cars on course. :D

agreatham
03-22-2010, 01:32 PM
I think that he asked for a challenge. He's going to be working timing at our Summit Point events where I can put four cars on course. :D

Bring it, baby! Extreme timing and announcing!

ronh21
03-22-2010, 02:39 PM
I think that he asked for a challenge. He's going to be working timing at our Summit Point events where I can put four cars on course. :D

I'm pretty sure I've seen Alex do everything except back-up timing (timing, announcing, and walkie comm with workers) herself. I recall thinking there was no way I could do that, that every third run would require a re-run and we'd finish in the dark.

Petrovich
03-22-2010, 03:37 PM
Hey guys, who do i talk about changing my car profile? i have a 325ci not 328...

otranscendental
03-22-2010, 03:45 PM
I just signed up for the Prorated Season Subscription and its only $175!

I'm psyched to be at all the events this year. The Maxima will finally be put out of race duty and the 240sx should be there for April. :cool:

otranscendental
03-22-2010, 03:55 PM
Hey Peter,

I got you: go to the page and follow the protocol for changes needed. http://forum.nccbmwcca.org/showthread.php?6061-Results-Need-Corrected-All-Corrections-MUST-Be-Posted-Here!&p=36450&posted=1#post36450

BTW: Did you ever post the vids of us? I'd love to see the Maxima in action, lol.

Petrovich
03-22-2010, 04:07 PM
Hey Peter,

I got you: go to the page and follow the protocol for changes needed. http://forum.nccbmwcca.org/showthread.php?6061-Results-Need-Corrected-All-Corrections-MUST-Be-Posted-Here!&p=36450&posted=1#post36450

BTW: Did you ever post the vids of us? I'd love to see the Maxima in action, lol.

Ill upload them tonight, they kinda suck, so i apologize in advance...

Reach
03-22-2010, 08:33 PM
Hey guys, who do i talk about changing my car profile? i have a 325ci not 328...

If you're registering online with DLBracing.com for our events, the car is pulled from your profile. So, make sure you've got an up-to-date and accurate profile, because that is the only registration we do before taking walk-ups.

otranscendental
03-24-2010, 09:53 AM
Ill upload them tonight, they kinda suck, so i apologize in advance...

Its all good. I don't care if they suck, just wanna see it.

jbrannon7
03-24-2010, 02:11 PM
If you're registering online with DLBracing.com for our events, the car is pulled from your profile. So, make sure you've got an up-to-date and accurate profile, because that is the only registration we do before taking walk-ups.

I tried updating my profile at DLBracing dot com and it ended with an error saying to contact the web administrator.

woodym3
03-24-2010, 03:26 PM
My best a 48.xxx yes, but my best raw time was a 47.9xx and that's still a 47!

Yeah, but going by raw time you would have 7th instead of 4th.

m3chaser
03-26-2010, 10:15 AM
Yeah, but going by raw time you would have 7th instead of 4th.

That just shows me I have a lot of work to do which I knew anyways ahaha.

noelleslie
03-26-2010, 10:20 AM
Bottom line: the cones must be avoided. You had great runs and avoided the cones. Therefore you placed well. "raw time" does not factor in autocross, so that's why my coned up runs put me in "nor so much" territory.

Your driving was clearly better and you should not qualify your performance saying that my, or anyone else's "raw times" were better. You beat me fair and square.

Next time?? Maybe not so much :)

Enjoy it while you can speedy :)

m3chaser
03-26-2010, 10:46 AM
Bottom line: the cones must be avoided. You had great runs and avoided the cones. Therefore you placed well. "raw time" does not factor in autocross, so that's why my coned up runs put me in "nor so much" territory.

Your driving was clearly better and you should not qualify your performance saying that my, or anyone else's "raw times" were better. You beat me fair and square.

Next time?? Maybe not so much :)

Enjoy it while you can speedy :)

While you are right that raw time doesn't count as far as technical timing goes you still got around the course in 46 seconds and that is sick and out of my league plain and simple (I don't want to belabor the subject but I feel like that's the truth). I am prepared to get my rookie butt KICKED next event and I seriously mean that. I am not half the driver as you, Woody, or Joe and that's a fact. I have a lot to learn and most of the time will be lucky to be within 2 seconds of you guys and that is the honest truth. It's going to take me a couple years to learn where I am making mistakes on the course. At this point I am just driving recklessly around the course and don't understand correct lines and things like that. If I take the correct line it's because I got lucky and just happened to be on the line and stayed with it, but it isn't because I was good enough to know to take that line because it was the fastest.

I apologize for the lengthy post, but I just want to make sure that some folks understand that I don't think nor have I ever thought that I am on the same level as you, Woody, or Joe and if I have ever come across that way then I feel bad for myself at the next event ahahaahaha.

The only thing I ask is that you guys continue to give me advice as to how to improve my driving and please don't hold back on giving me instructive criticism because it is the only way I can get better. I will now put this issue to rest on my end ;-)

Reach
03-26-2010, 06:47 PM
We don't have these issues in T1. *grouphug* :)

agreatham
03-31-2010, 06:47 PM
Pics are up! Keep in mind that any profits go back in to the autocross program. You can get anything from the digital downloads to prints to novelty items (coffee mug anyone?). You can also leave comments or rank the pics as you like. Let me know what you think!
http://katiethayer.smugmug.com/NCC-Autocross
~Katie

Get your camera out of automatic and try a longer exposure so the cars don't look like they're parked. 1/50 sec should do.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3433/3406363052_eb82f89821_b.jpg

KatieT
03-31-2010, 08:13 PM
Get your camera out of automatic and try a longer exposure so the cars don't look like they're parked. 1/50 sec should do.It's set on shutter priority...I saw that it wasn't the best when I got home but at least they're clear. Every now and then I find the right setting and it works great (got some awesome ones at Summit Point last year in the rain).

~Katie

agreatham
03-31-2010, 09:13 PM
It's set on shutter priority...I saw that it wasn't the best when I got home but at least they're clear. Every now and then I find the right setting and it works great (got some awesome ones at Summit Point last year in the rain).

I can't tell without the EXIF data but it looks like you had your shutter speed set to 1/250 or faster. That might get you motion blur if we were doing 100mph+ but for autocross speeds, 1/60 or thereabouts is probably what you want.

Having a fast lens also helps. If you like, I can bring my 80-200mm F/2.8 to the next event for you to play with. It weighs 2lbs but I can also bring my monopod. Just remind me before the next event. You have a D200 right?

KatieT
04-01-2010, 07:28 AM
I can't tell without the EXIF data but it looks like you had your shutter speed set to 1/250 or faster. That might get you motion blur if we were doing 100mph+ but for autocross speeds, 1/60 or thereabouts is probably what you want.

Having a fast lens also helps. If you like, I can bring my 80-200mm F/2.8 to the next event for you to play with. It weighs 2lbs but I can also bring my monopod. Just remind me before the next event. You have a D200 right?I wish. I have a D70 and for autocross I use my 70-300 VR lens. I think I had it just above the 1/250 so I'll dial it down for the net one. Thanks!

~Katie

bogdan
04-06-2010, 02:51 PM
we don't have these issues in t1. *grouphug* :)

:d