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1996 328ti
03-09-2008, 07:13 PM
Pre-registration begins March 24.

Please note, due to increased track rental fees, our new fee will be $215/day.

ChosenGSR
03-24-2008, 03:48 PM
OUCH, I just noticed that. I take it it'll be $430/weekend going forward for all events?

Dirichlet
03-24-2008, 04:06 PM
...

Please note, due to increased track rental fees, our new fee will be $215/day...


wow... ouch... how much is the instructor academy now? This means we're talking about ~$550 per weekend for track time alone. Guess I'm gonna have to cut down on the number of schools I do. :(

ChosenGSR
03-24-2008, 05:22 PM
wow... ouch... how much is the instructor academy now? This means we're talking about ~$550 per weekend for track time alone. Guess I'm gonna have to cut down on the number of schools I do. :(

Same here :( :redface:

TMB_540i
03-26-2008, 09:36 PM
wow... ouch... how much is the instructor academy now? This means we're talking about ~$550 per weekend for track time alone. Guess I'm gonna have to cut down on the number of schools I do. :(

I believe the Instructor Academy days are still a $100 each. This is a true bargain.

The interesting thing is that other BMW CCA chapters doing similar schools at Summit Point (this year) have not increased their registration fees. April 14 and 15 - New Jersey Chapter Advanced School is $350 for a two day HPDE program and April 26 through 28 - Delaware Valley Chapter is $420 for a three day (2 days on Jefferson and 1 day on Main) HPDE program which includes skid pad on the first two days of the event. Maybe there are other costs that National Capital Chapter encounters for their Summit Point driving events (less run groups, smaller run group sizes, skid pad costs, insurance costs, etc.). Other chapters that have lower costs also have their driving school program sponsored (at least partially) by BMW performance vendors (UUC Motorwerks, RRT, BMW Dealerships, etc.). Maybe the NCC should consider this as an approach to keep a lid on costs.:wink:

woodym3
03-27-2008, 07:44 AM
I suspect the track rental fees are cheaper mid-week. Note the NJ event is Monday-Tuesday, and the DVC event is Sat-Sun on JC and Monday on the main track.

OwnedbyDuncan
03-27-2008, 10:07 AM
Back in the mid 80's you could rent Summit Point Monday thru Thursday
for $500 a day. No insurance and no corner workers. Cost wasnt too bad if you split it with a few other SCCA racers for a test day.

If I remember correctly back in mid 90's when I was coordinator it cost approx $10k to rent the big track for Fri, Sat and Sun and the cost breakdown was $2k for Fri and $4k for Sat and Sun. I am sure the fee has gone up substantially but I am sure the difference is about the same percentage wise. Jefferson was about $8k for three days.

Chances of filling a school that runs during the week are a lot less than
a weekend school.

Check out what Car Guys or whoever runs a for profit school at Summit Point and see how much they need to charge to make a profit.

My suggestion if you dont like the costs go out and find sponsors for the program. Good luck and I am sure the board wont mind you doing the grunt work.

Less than $100 an hour for track time instruction and skidpad instruction not a bad deal.

I pay approx $45 for a ten minute max time allowed run at a herding trial.
We usually finish a run in less than 5 minutes. 2 dogs 2-4 trials a day.
herding is lot more expensive than DS and more challanging and hell of lot more dangerous.

Dave Apker and the collies

islavov
04-08-2008, 09:49 AM
Hi All,

I figured instead of getting camber plates better spend the $$$ on DE.

My reg papers are in the mail...

See you guys again with my almost stock (OG) E46 M3...

Oh, my brother is comming too with his modded Evo IX. He is a BMW CCA member, the fact that he now drives the Evo should not be a problem, right?...

And, another friend is coming with a spanking new Evo X. He swapped his 335i for the JDM Evo X (???)

It's gotta be fun...

See you,
Ivan

OwnedbyDuncan
04-08-2008, 11:49 AM
I am so glad I am no longer drivers school coordinator. And I thought I missed it. The smell of hot brakes and warm fluids in the morning WVA mist. The knot in my stomach on Sunday after lunch hoping we could make ith through the weekend without an incident but realizing the odds were against it since the runs after lunch on Sunday are when you have the best chance for an incident.

I use to walk the paddock and grid and was always 100% accurate in my predictions for problem students.

I be in Berryville the week before at a 3 day herding trial. For 8 runs and maybe 60 minutes of run time total over 3 days its costing me $360. And beleive it not a herding trial is more dangerous than a driving school!

And I have free schools for life.

Dave Apker and the collies

tenfifteen
04-26-2008, 08:01 AM
Hi all... NCC member since '05, potential first-time DE attendee. After having owned a couple of Cooper S's, I decided it was time to upgrade to a car I've long wanted, and recently picked up an '06 M3 ZCP. It occurred to me that the last RWD car I owned was a '79 280ZX (in 1990), so I really ought to brush up on my driving skills, particularly in a car that has roughly double the power of anything I've owned since high school.

So... very sorry to have to ask such a noob question, but... what's the difference between day 1 & day 2? Should I register for both? I read the FAQ of course, but just wondering a little about what to expect...

Thanks in advance,
Paul

jhm5
04-28-2008, 10:43 AM
At the Jefferson Circuit, typically the first day the school runs the track one direction, the second day the other direction. It's like driving a different track each day. Day two reinforces what you learned on day one, but with different turns to learn. If you're only doing one day, I'd suggest the first day, since by day 2 many of the participants will have refreshed their driving skills on day one and perhaps be a step up on someone who hasn't done a HPDE in some years... or ever.

jlapicki
04-30-2008, 09:29 AM
What is schedule / status of acceptance notices?

fpol
05-12-2008, 11:16 AM
Is this 'acceptance email' Monday? Only asking so that at if i *don't* get one I'll know that I'm out and can make other plans.

I got my check out 3 days late, so I'm not sure if i got in.

Bruce N
05-13-2008, 06:09 AM
FYI, I got my acceptance last night.

TMB_540i
05-13-2008, 06:10 AM
I received my acceptance notice e-mail last night. See you at the track!:)

fpol
05-13-2008, 07:34 AM
Got mine too. 15 days at Summit Point circuits - but first 2 at the Jeff. Time to find some video...

1996 328ti
05-13-2008, 12:25 PM
Got mine too. 15 days at Summit Point circuits - but first 2 at the Jeff. Time to find some video...
If you do find a video, I believe you will be going in race direction one day, and counter race the other.

islavov
05-14-2008, 01:03 PM
I received my acceptance notice e-mail last night. See you at the track!:)

+1
We are coming three people:
- one BMW guy(myself)
- one Evo IX guy (my borother)
- one Evo X guy (a friend)

its gonna be fun.
First time on Jeff track though...

fpol
05-14-2008, 01:29 PM
If you do find a video, I believe you will be going in race direction one day, and counter race the other.

Should be interesting. Already found some Youtube vids - looks like a nice handling track although shorter than say Lime Rock Park, so reversing it seems like a good idea to keep it fresh both days.

Jenson Button
05-16-2008, 02:08 PM
The Jefferson is a sweet track. Some don't like it because it is not very fast and it is short. Others, like me, like it because it is very technical with alot of hidden speed. Futhermore, it is a comparatively forgiving track where oopsies do not equal smacking a wall like Watkins Glen or even the Shenendoah. It is also a good track for those of us without big horsepower. There is little room for the big boys to stretch their legs and get away from us pesky corner lovers. Lets all close our eyes and hope for rain because there is no slipperier track than the Jeff once it gets wet --- YEEE HAW!!

dbonner
05-19-2008, 11:20 PM
You must miss it, Dave, judging from the frequency of your commentary on this message board! Bring the collies! :rolleyes:

BonBahn


I am so glad I am no longer drivers school coordinator. And I thought I missed it. The smell of hot brakes and warm fluids in the morning WVA mist. The knot in my stomach on Sunday after lunch hoping we could make ith through the weekend without an incident but realizing the odds were against it since the runs after lunch on Sunday are when you have the best chance for an incident.

I use to walk the paddock and grid and was always 100% accurate in my predictions for problem students.

I be in Berryville the week before at a 3 day herding trial. For 8 runs and maybe 60 minutes of run time total over 3 days its costing me $360. And beleive it not a herding trial is more dangerous than a driving school!

And I have free schools for life.

Dave Apker and the collies

Car54
05-29-2008, 08:16 PM
Is the BBQ open to all members, or just DS participants?

1996 328ti
05-29-2008, 08:24 PM
Is the BBQ open to all members, or just DS participants?All members.

Bruce N
05-29-2008, 08:31 PM
Can't wait! My wife is doing her first track day. We're both very excited. What a great way to celebrate our 20th anniversary!

Jenson Button
06-03-2008, 06:45 AM
Thanks everyone for the rain prayers. They worked like a charm and made for one of the most enjoyable events in recent memory. Colin, thanks for the Firework show!

fpol
06-03-2008, 07:46 AM
... because there is no slipperier track than the Jeff once it gets wet --- YEEE HAW!!

Lime Rock "might" be worse, but they're at least close. Guess your rain dance worked.

First time on the Jeff, having put it off after hearing that it was too short, too tight and no fun, but I actually enjoyed it a lot - both directions. It will definitely be added as a track I do at least once a year. In fact, I'd love that as my first track day of the year as opposed to say approaching T1 at Main at 12X mph after not having driven since October.

It's easy on the fuel use as well...

roxstuff
06-04-2008, 08:58 PM
I personally had a blast this past weekend. I learned more car control skills on the wet track Saturday at the instruction of Davis Ortiz then I could have / would have in months of dry track driving. And I must say I was a bit “concerned” about my first wet track experience . . . . .

David you were the best I and was fortunate to be able to spend the weekend connected to your headset. You were patient and predicted every screw up I or the drivers around us were about to make, I learned a lot.

Also once again I found the entire event to be well organized, run on schedule and with enthusiasm and professionalism. Everyone always wants to help, share car tips, driving tips and just be friendly and accepting.

I'm hooked.

Thanks everyone.

John

Jenson Button
06-09-2008, 10:41 AM
Anyone find a little silver handled pocket knife with a black lanyard on it? The maker is TiNives and I believe I had it in my pocket on Saturday. I peeked in both of my students' cars with no luck, but who knows. People who know me know I have a little addiction to knives and watches along with cars so this little knife is kinda special to me.

M50_328is
06-09-2008, 06:30 PM
I had a great time too. First time to Summit, even though it's only 45 mins from home and 15 minutes from the office. DO we know if the ppl taking pictures published them to a site? I may be interested in buying some now that I have the cash. The skidpad was fun and educational too!

~Phil

Bruce N
06-09-2008, 08:06 PM
www.racedayphoto.com

mlytle
06-10-2008, 10:44 PM
while y'all were doing a de on the jeff course...we were practicing drifting in turn one of the main track...;)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5564323333688105712&hl=en

cars are scca itr class e36 325's. vid is first three laps of 16 lap race. lap times mostly in 1:24's....after i got around that red one...:)

Jenson Button
06-11-2008, 12:20 PM
we were practicing drifting in turn one of the main track...;)


That is a great video. It looks like you two had some very close, but respectful enough racing. Did I notice a slight tap from the rear as you finally made the pass stick in 1?

mlytle
06-11-2008, 01:44 PM
just a slight tap from me not quite clearing ahead before the brake zone. other driver and i have been dicing for years and have a blast doing it...first time we have actually touched, despite a lot of very close racing.

the drift practice is the result of me trying a new brake compound on the rear....not the same release characteristics as the other compound...