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Car54
03-07-2008, 11:17 AM
I'm confirmed, anyone else going to this event?


Summit Point Raceway Driver School
Date: April 14-15 (Mon-Tue)
Event: Driver School and Instructor Training School
Cost: $350 per student
Event Chair: Jeff White (jwhite@<hidden>)
Event Registrar: Dennis Krug (registrar@<hidden>)
Registration close: April 7


The Advanced Driver School/ Instructor Training School is an opportunity for students with previous track experience to sharpen their skills in a school that provides extended run groups. Because this School shares track time with our nationally-recognized Instructor Training School, the number of student groups is limited to two (Intermediate and Advanced) and all students must be approved by the Chief Instructor and Event Chair prior to acceptance. Summit Point Raceway is a perennial favorite as it is a high-speed track that provides students the opportunity to approach turns from different driving lines and find the one that fits their car. Summit was repaved in the Fall of 2007 and now has a smooth surface free of concrete patches. This school gives experienced drivers the ability to learn the track all over again. Check out the track here (http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com/)

For Driver School Participants: Note that your driving history will be confirmed. If you have experience with organizations other than the NJ Chapter and you did not participate in this event in the past, please email your driver school history to Jeff White (jwhite@<hidden>).

rgconway
03-08-2008, 07:58 PM
To our NCC friends...we still have spots open for advanced and intermediate drivers for this great event. Come join us!

Visit http://www.njbmwcca.org for details. Thanks.

See you at the track!

Bob Conway
Driving Events Chairman
New Jersey BMW Car Club of America
rgconway@<hidden> (rgconway@<hidden>)
www.njbmwcca.org (http://www.njbmwcca.org/)

e30m3sm
03-08-2008, 11:13 PM
I'll be up there as one of the mentors for the ITS candidates.

It's one of the highlights of my season.:biggrin:

Gerry

mlytle
03-10-2008, 03:47 PM
what is the format like at this event? how many sessions a day? open passing in advanced group?

hey gerry, which ITS candidate? i will be instructing its/itr at the scca club race school in april.....

marshall

woodym3
03-10-2008, 04:21 PM
Marshall,
Gerry is referring to the New Jersey Chapter's Instructor Training School for their HPDE program, not the SCCA's Improved Touring S race class.

mlytle
03-10-2008, 04:56 PM
Marshall,
Gerry is referring to the New Jersey Chapter's Instructor Training School for their HPDE program, not the SCCA's Improved Touring S race class.

:) too many acronyms with different meanings! thanks!

e30m3sm
03-10-2008, 07:33 PM
Marshall: Sorry for the confusion. You know I am only an SCCA noob.:cool:

I couldn't even mentor a spec miata guy.:biggrin:

There will be 4 run groups: Intermediate
Advanced
ITS candidates
Instructors

Instructors and ITS guys can pass anywhere with a pointby. I am not sure about the other 2 groups.

Lots of track time though,

Gerry

mlytle
03-10-2008, 10:33 PM
bummer. just found out that passenger seats and pass side belts are required. as much as i would like to give joy rides to the instructors, i don't have those parts. oh well, would have been fun....;)

mlytle
03-12-2008, 08:59 PM
news...pass seats not required for race cars.

however. if driving a single seat car, in order to meet the rules of the event, you have to borrow someone elses car for a short session to allow an instructor to ride with you.

anyone who is going to be there want to lend me their car for 10 minutes? better yet, any instructors want to teach me something new?

e30m3sm
03-14-2008, 10:03 PM
Marshall: I will probably be bringing my SM and it has a passenger seat.Since ITS mentors generally drive the ITS candidate's cars for the 2 days, you can borrow my miata for as long as you need it.
You should have no problem fitting inside, as the seat is bolted to the floor via custom mounts. Besides, with your incident-free racing experience I would be surprised if it even required 10 minutes to eval and sign you off.:biggrin:

Gerry

mlytle
03-14-2008, 10:30 PM
cool. thanks jerry. i know i fit in your miata...drove it to the grid for ya during your scca school!

i am worried though, if i drive a miata on the track, i may want to ditch my ITR car and get an SM!

maybe you can do my check ride for me and show me how to drive an sm!

marshall

e30m3sm
03-15-2008, 07:55 PM
Be happy to oblige Marshall!:)

Gerry

TMB_540i
03-16-2008, 09:11 PM
I am confirmed and I will be attending the Instructor Training School as an Instructor Candidate. Looking forward to the challenge.

Tom Buchanan

e30m3sm
03-17-2008, 08:38 PM
Tom: You will learn a ton of useful info. You won't get better techniques on how to instruct students anywhere else.
Learning it all in 2 days is tough.It's been likened to trying to drink from of a fire hose.

Gerry

mlytle
03-18-2008, 03:10 PM
This event is sounding more fun every day! any idea how many cars it draws?

Car54
04-02-2008, 03:31 PM
I'm booked at the Comfort Suites...$65 not bad. Are you guys commuting or staying there?

mlytle
04-02-2008, 08:12 PM
staying at the ml2motorsports inn.

aka, my race trailer...:)

e30m3sm
04-04-2008, 12:43 PM
I will be commuting home each day so as to spend the evenings with my family,:)

Car54
04-05-2008, 07:18 AM
I will be commuting home each day so as to spend the evenings with my family,:)

You and Greg both threw out the family card making me feel guilty. I guess I should just commute too.

mlytle
04-15-2008, 07:15 PM
wow...that event was awesome! 390 track miles in two days. well run event, stayed on time. some fun drivers in the advanced group.

big thanks to jerry for loaning me his miata for the instruction session and to woody for putting up with sitting in the passenger seat for half dozen laps....and then actually signing me off to solo! ;)

Car54
04-15-2008, 08:22 PM
I had a great time too...I had a couple sessions cut short unfortunately. I really liked my instructor...he was fun and informative...got me moving pretty quick by day 2.

Look forward to running with these guys in August.

fpol
04-16-2008, 07:09 AM
Great event. Amazing amount of tracktime. Down in blue group we had 45 miles in just one session on Monday. Green had that 1hr 30 minute + session Tuesday afternoon that must have been ridiculous since our 45minute session got me 18 laps!

mlytle
04-16-2008, 01:11 PM
yup. we had a 55min session and a 1hr 40min session tuesday afternoon. i did 1hr 15min stint before i ran out of gas and had to stop. 48 laps. couple of rolling auto-x cones in the group, but everyone was very good with point bys and awareness.

fpol
04-16-2008, 03:39 PM
yup. we had a 55min session and a 1hr 40min session tuesday afternoon. i did 1hr 15min stint before i ran out of gas and had to stop.

Can't tell for sure by the avatar - but weren't you in an extended run (during part of the 1hr 55min session) with the Estoril Blue M3? I was watching from the grandstands off 7 and ya'll were hauling the mail. The Turner Car was FLYING also.

mlytle
04-16-2008, 09:08 PM
you refering to the blue race car # 762 or something like that? if so, yup that was me. i was in the black 325is race car with the estoril blue m3 front end and hood. #64, big purple bimmerworld graphics on hood and sides. the blue race car i was playing tag with was a bmwcca C modified M3. he was holding me up a little in the twisties and i was using his draft on the straights to keep up with his power. lots of fun. lap times 1:25+/-(based on after action traqmate data acquistion analysis of course, as there are no live timing devices allowed in a school....).

there was an all black 325is race car out there too, #992

turner car was cool. big bucks. it was bill auberlien's world challenge car.

which car were you in?

fpol
04-17-2008, 07:09 AM
Yeah - that was it. I used to autocross with him up in NJ when that car was pretty much a daily driver. Actually was around for the 'incident' after which it began the conversion to race car.

I was doing gap checks when you were in front and you were pulling on him slowly as the gap went from .75 seconds entering T9 to 2.2 seconds in about 5-7 laps when you were in front before he suddenly appeared in front again and pitted in.

It was amazing to see the grip on the Turner Car in T9 - wow. Looks like the Turner Car, yourself and the blue car and one other were running the fastest laps out there.

I was down in blue group in one of 2 Dakar Yellow M3s at the event.

e30m3sm
04-17-2008, 03:46 PM
You are most welcome Marshall.

I saw you almost rear end the heavily modified silver E46 M3 entering T 10 on Tues afternoon's mini-enduro. I was doing the ITS Driving Eval in the Green group riding along in the red E30 325is. Man! I bet you needed fresh Fruit of the Looms after that one. Who would have thought anyone would need to brake that hard for T10? That was a nice piece of driving just not to hit that Polaris M3 with a rear wing.

I did very little driving on my own but I only managed several 1:33 laps in the blue group; got held up in several turns as many BMW don't want to point me by in my smurf blue miata. I had no trouble with that on Tues driving my white E30 M3. It must be a German car thing!

OwnedbyDuncan
04-17-2008, 05:20 PM
Sorry corner workers should be informed to look out for cars holding others up and not giving a point by. Corner workers need to inform control and the chief instructor and if necessary the offender(s) need be black flagged for a discussion.

The track is no place for your ego. Let the other driver pass.

Dave Apker and the collies

mlytle
04-17-2008, 08:30 PM
if you are refering to the blue m3 dave, he had given me a point by early on, but i waived it off. we were having fun running together. eventually i made a little signal that i wanted by and he immediately gave me another point. i did the same for him after a few laps. had the same good rapport with several other cars in the group like the silver "offcamber.net" e36m3. did "lead/follow" exercises for about 10 laps with him in the after lunch session on tues. i was very impressed with the track awareness and "unspoken communication" in the green group.

mlytle
04-17-2008, 08:38 PM
You are most welcome Marshall.

I saw you almost rear end the heavily modified silver E46 M3 entering T 10 on Tues afternoon's mini-enduro. I was doing the ITS Driving Eval in the Green group riding along in the red E30 325is. Man! I bet you needed fresh Fruit of the Looms after that one. Who would have thought anyone would need to brake that hard for T10? That was a nice piece of driving just not to hit that Polaris M3 with a rear wing.

I did very little driving on my own but I only managed several 1:33 laps in the blue group; got held up in several turns as many BMW don't want to point me by in my smurf blue miata. I had no trouble with that on Tues driving my white E30 M3. It must be a German car thing!

hmmm, don't remember that t10 deal...was that the e46 with the sequetial box that was paddocked accross from the tech shed? too bad my camera had run out of memory by then! :)

gotta say it was fun running that smurf car around with the bmw's, mudstangs, vettes, p-cars, amg and ferrari...especially the point by from the ferrari. think it must have been at idle while the smurf was pedalling as fast as it would go!

e30m3sm
04-17-2008, 08:42 PM
[quote=mlytle;23149]hmmm, don't remember that t10 deal...was that the e46 with the sequetial box that was paddocked accross from the tech shed? too bad my camera had run out of memory by then! :)

Yeah, that was the car. I really thought there would be contact.Spec miatas are true momentum cars and so inexpensive to track vs most any other car. Glad you had fun with it!

Gerry

Car54
04-17-2008, 08:45 PM
You guys know of anyone getting flat tires on track? Besides me....

mlytle
04-17-2008, 08:51 PM
flat as in "run out of air" or flat as in...oh crap locked the brakes, no abs and now have a "flat spot"...;-)

both do happen....the later more than the former. no abs on my race car...i made lots of square hoosiers learning threshold braking after doing DE's with abs for years...

Car54
04-18-2008, 07:42 AM
flat as in puncture wound, with no "evidence" stuck in the tire.

e30m3sm
04-18-2008, 08:44 AM
I have picked up a nail in one of my Toyo RA-1's down at VIR but it may have occurred in town as well.
I always bring down 5 wheels with track rubber mounted in case of a flat or corded tire.

If you could not find the source of the punture you may just have had a bad seal of wheel lip to tire bead. This can happen if you flip the tires often or if you go off and get some stones wedged between the rim & bead.

As to repairing puncture and then using said tire on the track. I have repaired RA-1 with a plug/patch which is bonded from the INSIDE of the tire and it held up fine. If the puncture is on the sidewall or outer thread block then the tire is done. However, this subject is highly contentious and you will get many opinions. Use your best judgement and err on the side of safety.

Gerry

Car54
04-18-2008, 09:30 AM
There was definitely a hole, Gerry...there was no item in the tire when I pulled the wheel off the car. The flat on the RR went down fast and in T3 after about 5 laps...a bit scary for me and my instructor. The jury's out as to if it was previously repaired before my ownership or it was an on track incident.

Since I didn't pick anything up, I would imagine the culprit was still on the track if it wasn't due to a previous repair.

mlytle
04-18-2008, 10:33 AM
flat as in puncture wound, with no "evidence" stuck in the tire.

hmmm, maybe one of your close competitors for the 2008 HPDE championship did you in with a late night ice pick? :biggrin:

i all seriousness, i am always amazed at the sharp little objects i find on the pavement when i do track walks.