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Biggins
02-14-2008, 09:28 AM
I've received some helpful suggestions on some other message boards, but I thought I'd spark a debate here too...

Does anyone have any suggestions for a nice, cheap summer tire?

I've run the Hankook RS-2 as my summer tires for the past 3 summers, and I like them. I want a tire that is no more than ~100 per tire and will do well in the rain. It'd be nice to have one that isn't too loud on the interstates also... I don't plan to autocross/track these tires, but it'd be nice if they could do double duty when I change my mind likely around June.

Any other options aside from these?
Hankook RS-2 again
Toyo T1R
Kumho SPT
Dunlop Direzza Z1
Bridgestone RE-01R

My size is 225/50/16 or 225/45/17 for reference. Thanks!

VA 330Ci
02-14-2008, 10:43 AM
No new suggestion, but a +1 for Toyo TR1's. I have a set on now and love them. Great dry, Great wet!!!!:wink:

1996 328ti
02-14-2008, 10:47 AM
I love my Toyos too.

pseto
02-14-2008, 11:09 AM
i have Toyos for my 335i and X5, but they're not going on till the spring. For the price they are pretty good handling, although they tend to get kinda loud after 12k miles (i'm on my 2nd set of Toyos on the X5).

Biggins
02-14-2008, 11:18 AM
Has anyone tried any of the other tires I listed? Any other summer tire suggestions?

If I get 8k miles out of my summer tires, I'm delighted.

Steven, have you used the T1Rs for any rainy track days?

lax01
02-14-2008, 11:35 AM
RE01Rs

OwnedbyDuncan
02-14-2008, 01:23 PM
Toyo Open Country H/T's! they work great in the wet and dry and hold up well crossing fields and on dirt and gravel roads.

I would also look at what Yokohama has to offer.

Dunop's are just awful.

My top two choices would be from either Toyo or Yokohama.

And see Sam or Paul at Radial Tire!

Dave Apker and the collies

1996 328ti
02-14-2008, 01:32 PM
Steven, have you used the T1Rs for any rainy track days?No, but I'm sure they would be good. I only needed two tires so I put the T1Rs on the front and still have plenty of tread on the T1S on the rear. I'm still using RA1s for the track.

mcoupemindy
02-14-2008, 02:25 PM
I don't plan to autocross/track these tires, but it'd be nice if they could do double duty when I change my mind likely around June.

Honesty ... I love it.

Get the Toyo's.

woodym3
02-14-2008, 06:23 PM
Any other options aside from these?
Hankook RS-2 again
Toyo T1R
Kumho SPT
Dunlop Direzza Z1
Bridgestone RE-01R



Hankook RS-2: No experience
Toyo T1R - I had a student using these on his E36 M3 in the rain at VIR a few years ago and was amazed at how well they performed. They're a bit more than $100 though, aren't they?
Kumho SPT - A VW GTI equiped with these won its class in the 2006 Shenandoah Red Line Time Attack (in the dry). They just don't look like an "ultra performance street tire".
Dunlop Direzza Z1 - An Oktoberfest participant in Texas this past September used these to a class win in the autocross and said they were great in the drivers school. I would look at the reviews posted on Tire Rack's website.
Bridgestone RE-01R - We used these on the 2006 One Lap of America and they did great until it rained and temperatures dropped into the 40s. In those conditions they sucked. I was still impressed with their performance and price enough to purchase them for my M Coupe a year ago.

ChosenGSR
02-14-2008, 07:55 PM
Are the Toyo T1rs in the same "class" as Falken Azenis 615 and RE-01Rs? I was running Kumho MXs last year and liked them, I think they performed very well on track. This year I am on the fence myself as I'm due for a new set. I'm intrigued by the Direzza Z1s, $130 for 235/40/17, about the same price one would pay for the Azenis 615s. The RE-01s are about $180 a piece, so substantially more expensive.

AG
02-14-2008, 08:13 PM
I think the T1R is a slightly lower end tire. Otherwise, Toyo wouldn't be showing an R1R tire up on their website. Now that looks like a nice competitor to the RE01R.

1996 328ti
02-14-2008, 08:41 PM
The T1R replaced the T1S.

mcoupemindy
02-14-2008, 09:28 PM
Are the Toyo T1rs in the same "class" as Falken Azenis 615 and RE-01Rs? I was running Kumho MXs last year and liked them, I think they performed very well on track. This year I am on the fence myself as I'm due for a new set. I'm intrigued by the Direzza Z1s, $130 for 235/40/17, about the same price one would pay for the Azenis 615s. The RE-01s are about $180 a piece, so substantially more expensive.

T1R's are no where close to RT-615's.

pranu
02-15-2008, 01:17 AM
I had the honor of starting the Summer Tire 2007 Edition thread - and the consensus that I got then for my daily NON AutoX (yet) driver was the Toyo T1R - which I must say has been a very good tire to me.

I was partial then to the Goodyear Eagle F1s - but due to them being in short supply I went with the cheaper (not cheap) Toyo's and I am very happy and thankful to this board for recommending them as they have felt very nice on the road and given me the fairly secure feeling that they like to stick to the road!

I can't wait for April to switch out of my Dunlop Winter Sports back to the Toyo's.

woodym3
02-15-2008, 10:19 AM
The T1R replaced the T1S.

Actually the Toyo T1R replaced the T1 Plus, which replaced the T1S.

IMHO, with its 280 treadwear rating, the T1R a true high performance tire for long-term highway duty.
The Bridgestone RE-01R, Dunlop Z1 and Falken Azenis 615 with their 140 treadwear ratings are "street" tires for someone who expects the tires to see lots of autocross and/or track duty.

mcoupemindy
02-15-2008, 12:04 PM
Actually the Toyo T1R replaced the T1 Plus, which replaced the T1S.

IMHO, with its 280 treadwear rating, the T1R a true high performance tire for long-term highway duty.
The Bridgestone RE-01R, Dunlop Z1 and Falken Azenis 615 with their 140 treadwear ratings are "street" tires for someone who expects the tires to see lots of autocross and/or track duty.

The Azenis' are 200. :biggrin:

Somehow they last longer when they aren't on my car. :confused:

Biggins
02-15-2008, 01:26 PM
Somehow they last longer when they aren't on my car. :confused:
As far as I know, the set I got from you last year is now on a WRX somewhere... I loved those tires, but they're a bit too rough for my taste on the Baltimore roads.

mcoupemindy
02-15-2008, 03:26 PM
As far as I know, the set I got from you last year is now on a WRX somewhere... I loved those tires, but they're a bit too rough for my taste on the Baltimore roads.

Good to hear that they are recycled and being put to good use.

hoyabmw
02-17-2008, 11:49 AM
I was running the SPT (225/50/16) on my E36 til I sold it, and I thought they were a great tire for the price. Doby got a set for his M3, and was happy with them too.

Speaking of which, anyone want the BBS's and SPT's from my E36?

woodym3
02-17-2008, 12:13 PM
Sure, I'll take them. Free, right?

Biggins
02-17-2008, 12:55 PM
Let me know if Woody doesn't want them... what size?

hoyabmw
02-19-2008, 10:01 PM
Sure, I'll take them. Free, right?

uh...no :)

Dave M
02-19-2008, 10:26 PM
I have been using Yokohama AVS ES 100's on my 1999 M3 for the past 2 seasons. I can't attest that they are the worlds greatest but they generally last a complete season on a daily driver and 20+ track days. I don't think they are great in the rain but they aren't too bad either. They are a bit noisy but they take tons of abuse and they aren't very expensive.

woodym3
02-19-2008, 10:52 PM
Let me know if Woody doesn't want them... what size?

Since Kevin is not in a generous mood, I guess they are yours Chris.

hoyabmw
02-22-2008, 11:11 AM
Let me know if Woody doesn't want them... what size?

16x7.5, wearing 225/50/16s. Pics in the classified section

Nick325xiT 5spd
02-22-2008, 12:55 PM
T1Rs are pretty cloppy and not very grippy - they ride well and are quiet and cheap, though.

Personally, my choice would be the RE-01R.

M50_328is
03-28-2008, 12:31 PM
I have been very happy with my BFG G-Force TA KDW2's. I have done two HPDE's and have run them for almost two years as my warm weather tire. They are fine in the rain too!
~Phil

ChosenGSR
03-29-2008, 07:01 AM
I wanted to go with the Dunlops this season but they were all but gone early Februrary, out of production/stock till mid summer. I ended up getting Hankook RS2 Z212s, at $106/tire for the standard M3 size is quite the bargain.

Biggins
06-09-2008, 09:18 PM
I just ordered a set of the Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Specs in my size. I was going to just go for the Hankooks again, but I'm going to give these a shot. I don't drive to work anymore (I walk), so I'm not at all concerned with treadlife. As long as these are sticky and hold up as good as the Falkens/Hankooks being replaced, I'll be happy...

I guess I'm back in Prepared Touring again this year if I can ever make an autocross. :)

Scotty
06-09-2008, 10:51 PM
Hm. Not concerned about treadlife. How about the Toyo R888 then? :tongue:

woodym3
06-10-2008, 10:28 AM
He's probably concerned about autocross classing - the R888, being an R-compound, would affect his class choices.

Biggins
06-10-2008, 11:29 AM
He's probably concerned about autocross classing - the R888, being an R-compound, would affect his class choices.
I hate to say it, but Woody is correct... They are replacing Hoosier R3S04s. :(

SamB325es
06-10-2008, 03:18 PM
Sumitomo HTR Z
205-50-15 $52 each
Burn, baby burn!