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AlfaEric
04-15-2007, 11:02 AM
Registration is open. :)

http://www.nccbmwcca.org/index.php?autocross_registration

It's actually been open for a while but I figured I would post since there are still plenty of spots.

---Eric

etherpool
04-22-2007, 08:09 AM
Registration is open. :)

http://www.nccbmwcca.org/index.php?autocross_registration

It's actually been open for a while but I figured I would post since there are still plenty of spots.

---Eric

Eric,
I'd like to get two runs in. Should I just register again for another heat? Also, would it be possible for me not to get a duplicate number assigned (311,322. etc...)? My second set of numbers haven't come in yet:mad: !
Thanks,
Flip

AlfaEric
04-22-2007, 01:53 PM
Eric,
I'd like to get two runs in. Should I just register again for another heat? Also, would it be possible for me not to get a duplicate number assigned (311,322. etc...)? My second set of numbers haven't come in yet:mad: !
Thanks,
Flip
I can't allow people to pre-register for 2 heats since we want to make sure everyone who registers (or shows up) can get in. Running twice is simply a matter of space available on the day of the event.

Right now, it looks like we are only going to have 2 heats (and a lot of runs). :biggrin:

---Eric

etherpool
04-22-2007, 03:54 PM
I can't allow people to pre-register for 2 heats since we want to make sure everyone who registers (or shows up) can get in. Running twice is simply a matter of space available on the day of the event.

Right now, it looks like we are only going to have 2 heats (and a lot of runs). :biggrin:

---Eric

That works for me. All I wanted was the runs anyway. Wait a minute. That doesn't sound quite right!?! :eek:

Thanks and see you there.
Flip

joenationwide
04-23-2007, 12:44 PM
signed up! yes, the season is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BahnBaum
04-23-2007, 07:07 PM
signed up! yes, the season is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, you certainly started on the right foot yesterday Scott!

Congrats.
Alex

Biggins
04-23-2007, 07:39 PM
signed up! yes, the season is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congrats... you were flying out there (and drifting) yesterday :eek:

Pete
04-26-2007, 11:04 AM
signed up! yes, the season is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I take it car got fixed?

Pete

BahnBaum
04-26-2007, 11:12 AM
Have emails gone out with our run groups?

Alex

AlfaEric
04-26-2007, 01:51 PM
Have emails gone out with our run groups?

Alex

I'm finishing that up right now. Everyone who registered is getting in.

---Eric

AlfaEric
04-26-2007, 02:07 PM
Current Pre-registration:

Number FirstName LastName
117 Emir Amirullah
211 Eric Andreasen
120x Sam Bell
114 Lou Bengermino
220 Brendon Bengermino
232 Scott Blair
254 Craig Brickner
203 David Bullman
208 John Campanella
234 David Cereijo
207 Adam Chelikowsky
106 Jong Chen
122 Mark Conley
314 Anthony Dialinos
318x John Doby
205 Okas elam
309 Philip Emad
329 Rani Emad
313 Lynn Foley
119 Clint Gauvin
116x Pat Griffith
123 Carlos Guzman
316 Juan Guzman
110 Casey Gwei
217 Woody Hair
322 Jason Hallick
214 Chris Hanchak
204 Jim Harris
206 John Hartge
130 Bob Hausmann
215 Ruhl Heffner
226 Kevin Henry
222 Chris Higgins
101 Klaus Hirtes
304 Brian Karwan
315 Frederick Kelley
115x Jason Kendall
113 Roger Kniceley
107 Tony Kopecni
227 Yannis Labrou
305 Howard Leikin
325 Brandon Lindley
326 John Lindley
213 Greg Lindsay
224 Garrett Lucas
112 Fariz Mambu
310 Frank Marshall
302 Anthony Martell
319 Gregory Martell
105 David Morrow
320 Bryant Nguyen
233 Linh Nguyen
118 Ed Palaszynski
216 Steven Park
219 steve pilkerton
102 Chris Procopio
301 Mark Resnik
210 Lia Reynolds
303 Eric Ritz
218 Nicholas Rubenstein
230x Neil Simon
228 Ivan Slavov
229 George Slavov
221 Jim Slechta
231 Robert Smith
223 Jason Stephens
103 Alex Teitelbaum
133 Mark Teitelbaum
202 Thomas Theoharidis
121 Erik Timme
225 Manny Torres
127 Joshua Turner
307 Timothy Walker
109 Michael Shu-Liang Wang
306 Greg Weldy
201 Paul White
312 Bob Williams
212 Phillip Yates
111 Suki Yu

All events open for registration and technical inspection at 8:00 AM. Heats begin at 9:30 AM, with each heat following at approximately two hour intervals. Registration closes at noon. You must register at the event at least one hour prior to your heat or before registration closes, whichever is earlier.

Car54
04-26-2007, 02:20 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=7310+Slacks+Rd&layer=&sll=39.286483,-76.570587&sspn=0.771673,1.2854&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=16&ll=39.376391,-76.946869&spn=0.012042,0.020084&t=h&iwloc=addr

Are we driving the track?

AlfaEric
04-26-2007, 02:31 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=7310+Slacks+Rd&layer=&sll=39.286483,-76.570587&sspn=0.771673,1.2854&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=16&ll=39.376391,-76.946869&spn=0.012042,0.020084&t=h&iwloc=addr

Are we driving the track?

Scroll up and you should see the lot.

---Eric

Car54
04-26-2007, 03:50 PM
I don't see it, on this thread?

AlfaEric
04-26-2007, 04:02 PM
I don't see it, on this thread?

Scroll up on the map you linked to. :rolleyes:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=7310+Slacks+Rd&layer=&sll=39.286483,-76.570587&sspn=0.771673,1.2854&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=16&ll=39.376391,-76.946869&spn=0.012042,0.020084&t=h&iwloc=addr

---Eric

Car54
04-26-2007, 08:10 PM
OH, here?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=7310+Slacks+Rd&layer=&sll=39.286483,-76.570587&sspn=0.771673,1.2854&ie=UTF8&om=1&t=h&z=17&ll=39.384866,-76.947491&spn=0.003632,0.009978

Biggins
04-26-2007, 08:14 PM
OH, here?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=7310+Slacks+Rd&layer=&sll=39.286483,-76.570587&sspn=0.771673,1.2854&ie=UTF8&om=1&t=h&z=17&ll=39.384866,-76.947491&spn=0.003632,0.009978
That's it.

clintjg
04-27-2007, 09:18 AM
Great, Thanks Eric!

patred
04-27-2007, 03:02 PM
I won't be able to make it ... #116 on the pre-reg list. (And the weather looks like it's going to be nice :( )

CAB IN BLACK M3
04-27-2007, 10:47 PM
Is anyone still up know where regestration is light tommorrow? I might sneek up! If I can get all my work done.

AlfaEric
04-28-2007, 12:28 AM
Is anyone still up know where regestration is light tommorrow? I might sneek up! If I can get all my work done.

Show up. It looks like there will be plenty of room.

---Eric

hoyabmw
04-28-2007, 06:18 PM
ready to post results, but Adam hasn't done the PAX factors yet. As soon as he does, I'll get the results out.

Kevin

islavov
04-29-2007, 12:29 AM
Thanks Everyone for the great time today! :biggrin:

I was with the Oxford Green M3, and my brother was with the Evo.
This was my 2d event, by bro was a 1st timer....
Obviously we are still learning:frown: ...

See u next time!

Ivan

joenationwide
04-29-2007, 11:11 AM
THanks for putting on another great event. Great to see everyone out there again! That was the best course yet at MSP (Sykesville lot). Very creative design made it fast and lots of fun.

Even though my car is out of commission, Ive still been able to drive some very fun very fast cars the last two events! i think Brian Hair is on to something with this co-drive thing! :biggrin:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/joenationwide/okascivic02.jpg

Linh
04-29-2007, 08:09 PM
ready to post results, but Adam hasn't done the PAX factors yet. As soon as he does, I'll get the results out.

Kevin


So we're talking a couple of weeks?

islavov
04-29-2007, 08:16 PM
Yeah,
I am eager to see result as well, althogh I know i have 2 DNFs and 3d very very slow run to learn the course. 4th run pushed a little and i am wondering where it stands:frown:

Later,
Ivan

BahnBaum
04-29-2007, 08:19 PM
So we're talking a couple of weeks?

They've gotten a lot quicker lately it seems.

Everyone needs to keep in mind that these are volunteers, many of whom spent 12+ hours setting up, working and tearing down Saturday's event. Fine with me if they take the rest of the weekend doing their own thing.

Alex

AlfaEric
04-29-2007, 08:48 PM
They've gotten a lot quicker lately it seems.

Everyone needs to keep in mind that these are volunteers, many of whom spent 12+ hours setting up, working and tearing down Saturday's event. Fine with me if they take the rest of the weekend doing their own thing.

Alex
Results should be going up faster this season (hopefully) but this event will take a bit longer since Adam is going to calculate PAX times which might take a while (he has to manually go through last season's times).

---Eric

woodym3
04-29-2007, 10:12 PM
ready to post results, but Adam hasn't done the PAX factors yet. As soon as he does, I'll get the results out.

Kevin
I understand this may take a while, but any chance of posting some preliminary class results and let the PAX results follow at a later date?

Linh
04-30-2007, 05:35 AM
They've gotten a lot quicker lately it seems.

Everyone needs to keep in mind that these are volunteers, many of whom spent 12+ hours setting up, working and tearing down Saturday's event. Fine with me if they take the rest of the weekend doing their own thing.

Alex

Oh, I know. I was just poking fun at slowikowski

Pete
04-30-2007, 06:59 AM
Oh, I know. I was just poking fun at slowikowski

LOL!!!

I'll call him when I get home from work and bug him about it. Perhaps, if I buy him dinner and help him it will be up faster.

Kevin,

Any possibility of doing the prelims as said before and then we'll post pax?

Pete

PS- Anyone get pics of 3rd heat?

1996 328ti
04-30-2007, 07:02 AM
Any possibility of doing the prelims as said before and then we'll post pax?Will the autocross school results also be corrected? I think there was an incorrect name?

Pete
04-30-2007, 09:36 AM
Will the autocross school results also be corrected? I think there was an incorrect name?

Not sure, who's name was incorrect?

Pete

1996 328ti
04-30-2007, 12:52 PM
Not sure, who's name was incorrect?

Pete
http://forum.nccbmwcca.org/showpost.php?p=17933&postcount=34

hoyabmw
04-30-2007, 01:14 PM
autox school--need to change from michelle bengermino to correct number.
Saturday--I'll do prelims, but the TTOPax will be wrong (until Adam gets his butt in gear)

BahnBaum
04-30-2007, 01:32 PM
autox school--need to change from michelle bengermino to correct number.
Saturday--I'll do prelims, but the TTOPax will be wrong (until Adam gets his butt in gear)

Fine.

Just tell me the top 3 finishers in PS.

<g>

Alex

1996 328ti
04-30-2007, 09:07 PM
Results are up.
http://www.nccbmwcca.org/index.php?id=15,1090,0,0,1,0

BahnBaum
04-30-2007, 09:16 PM
Pax factors are, ummm, interesting.

Alex

hoyabmw
04-30-2007, 09:25 PM
Pax factors are, ummm, interesting.

Alex

I noticed. Everything got faster as compared to MSS. First event last year threw everything off--PS was the fastest class! And certain classes (MT) were really light on participation, making them even harder to compute. Yes, I did the computation since Adam wasn't getting it done very quickly. I'll be happy to share the list if anyone wants it.

Oh, and from these results it looks like the 335 might be in the right place. It will take some more events to find out for sure.

Kevin

bren
04-30-2007, 09:30 PM
I realize the vette needs to be handicapped, but the Rcomp class? :eek:

I guess I registered in a different car or something (I can't remember.)

BahnBaum
04-30-2007, 09:31 PM
I noticed. Everything got faster as compared to MSS. First event last year threw everything off--PS was the fastest class! And certain classes (MT) were really light on participation, making them even harder to compute. Yes, I did the computation since Adam wasn't getting it done very quickly. I'll be happy to share the list if anyone wants it.

Oh, and from these results it looks like the 335 might be in the right place. It will take some more events to find out for sure.

Kevin

If Showroom A is essentially the same as Showroom M from last year, their pax factor went WAY down.

Alex

BahnBaum
04-30-2007, 09:41 PM
First event last year threw everything off--PS was the fastest class!

Rafael was a freak of nature. :p

Alex

Car54
04-30-2007, 09:45 PM
I'm now making it my mission to prove the 335's are in the wrong category. It's on now!

;)

hoyabmw
04-30-2007, 09:53 PM
If Showroom A is essentially the same as Showroom M from last year, their pax factor went WAY down.

Alex

Yep, it is, and it did. The participation there was a bit light too (only had 14 entrants to score SM/SA from, as opposed to 18 for most of the other classes) Might get tweaked a little more, but I wanted to get results out now.

Kevin

hoyabmw
04-30-2007, 09:54 PM
Rafael was a freak of nature. :p

Alex

Except that Brian was right there with him

BahnBaum
04-30-2007, 09:58 PM
Except that Brian was right there with him

Freak of nature redux.

Alex

woodym3
04-30-2007, 10:00 PM
Thanks for getting the results up so quick Kevin. For what it's worth, of the four fun runs shown for my M Coupe, Brian drove the first two runs and I drove the last two.
Woody

BahnBaum
04-30-2007, 10:01 PM
Thanks for getting the results up so quick Kevin.

Yup. Don't let my bitching overshadow your hardwork and effort. Thanks Kevin!

Alex

hoyabmw
04-30-2007, 10:07 PM
Yup. Don't let my bitching overshadow your hardwork and effort. Thanks Kevin!

Alex

For all the pics you take, you're allowed some bitching :)

Pete
05-01-2007, 07:04 AM
Bren, do you want us to switch you?

Also, does anyone know if Dan Dazzo ran tires?

Interesting the 335i performance in Showroom A. I agree with Kevin that we need more data. The fear was that they where too far away from the older 3's (in terms of speed) but not close enough to the M's. Looks like OK so far. When we classed them, it was the lesser of 2 evils in the sense that they where faster than the normal non M cars but perhaps not as fast as the M's. Given that fear, where would they be closest to?

We'll have to see,

Pete

bren
05-01-2007, 07:46 AM
Bren, do you want us to switch you?


Honestly, I don't care. It's really not worth the bother.

woodym3
05-01-2007, 08:01 AM
Dan Dazzo told me he got some R tires, but I don't know whether he ran them Saturday or not.

What happened to Modified Supersport? Only one entry? Last year we had 7, 11, 3, 11, 6, and 6 in each of our events.

Biggins
05-01-2007, 12:17 PM
Thanks for the great speed in getting the results posted!!! It looks like it will be another close battle in PT all year long! I debated over gettin R-comps to run against Eric in MT, but PT should be fun enough.

I agree that the PAX may need to be reexamined because I don't think my car or any PT car to be faster than a showroom M car. However, I'm honestly not that concerned with it though.

AlfaEric
05-01-2007, 01:55 PM
Thanks for the great speed in getting the results posted!!! It looks like it will be another close battle in PT all year long! I debated over gettin R-comps to run against Eric in MT, but PT should be fun enough.

I agree that the PAX may need to be reexamined because I don't think my car or any PT car to be faster than a showroom M car. However, I'm honestly not that concerned with it though.
Those M's are slow compared to the power of a 318. :tongue:

---Eric

hoyabmw
05-01-2007, 02:01 PM
Thanks for the great speed in getting the results posted!!! It looks like it will be another close battle in PT all year long! I debated over gettin R-comps to run against Eric in MT, but PT should be fun enough.

I agree that the PAX may need to be reexamined because I don't think my car or any PT car to be faster than a showroom M car. However, I'm honestly not that concerned with it though.

Yeah, I'm looking at them. FWIW, MT's computed pax was SLOWER than PT's. I think Eric should just give up on the R Comps :)

Kevin

Pete
05-01-2007, 02:04 PM
Yeah, I'm looking at them. FWIW, MT's computed pax was SLOWER than PT's. I think Eric should just give up on the R Comps :)

Kevin

Bwaaahaahahahahaha! Darn it. Now there is chocolate all over my monitor!

Eric's sig should be: Single handedly lowering the pax for MT

LOL

Pete

AlfaEric
05-01-2007, 02:26 PM
Yeah, I'm looking at them. FWIW, MT's computed pax was SLOWER than PT's. I think Eric should just give up on the R Comps :)

Kevin
I ran the first few events last season on street tires. That probably didn't help the PAX.

Several people have been talking about moving up to MT but by the time they do, I'll probably move back to PT.

---Eric

AlfaEric
05-01-2007, 02:27 PM
Bwaaahaahahahahaha! Darn it. Now there is chocolate all over my monitor!

Eric's sig should be: Single handedly lowering the pax for MT

LOL

Pete

Fixed. :biggrin:

---Eric

Pete
05-01-2007, 02:54 PM
Fixed. :biggrin:

---Eric

Nice!!

Car54
05-01-2007, 03:34 PM
Is it safe to say that M drivers (and now E90/92) usually need more handicapping?

Lia
05-01-2007, 08:15 PM
Um. At the unmitigated risk of sounding like a total novice - - oh, wait, I am a total novice, and a slow one at that...:tongue:

What is the "Diff." column on the results sheet? And what exactly is PAX? I mean, I understand that it is a handicapping system, but how does it work? Is there a good link that I can go to in order to read about it? :confused:

Thanks for a great event! :biggrin:

JST
05-01-2007, 08:22 PM
Bren, do you want us to switch you?

Also, does anyone know if Dan Dazzo ran tires?

Interesting the 335i performance in Showroom A. I agree with Kevin that we need more data. The fear was that they where too far away from the older 3's (in terms of speed) but not close enough to the M's. Looks like OK so far. When we classed them, it was the lesser of 2 evils in the sense that they where faster than the normal non M cars but perhaps not as fast as the M's. Given that fear, where would they be closest to?

We'll have to see,

Pete

I guess I owe you some beer on that score. My impression of the 335, after running this weekend, is that the suspension setup is surprisingly good, the car handles quite well for a 3600 lb pig, but that the lack of a limited slip diff is just as serious a weakness as everyone expected it to be.

I still believe that, similarly set-up, an E46 M3 is going to have a pretty serious edge over an E92/E90 335, but I agree that we need some more data.

EDIT:

Let me add my thanks for getting the results up so early.

Biggins
05-01-2007, 09:25 PM
Um. At the unmitigated risk of sounding like a total novice - - oh, wait, I am a total novice, and a slow one at that...:tongue:

What is the "Diff." column on the results sheet? And what exactly is PAX? I mean, I understand that it is a handicapping system, but how does it work? Is there a good link that I can go to in order to read about it? :confused:

Thanks for a great event! :biggrin:
It's okay...

The "Diff." is the amount of time "difference" you were behind the competitor just ahead of you. If you won your class, then you would have none. Your "diff." was 0.605 which means you were 0.605 seconds behind the competitor in front of you.

I believe the PAX index needs a little altering, but the basic idea is to balance the times of all the cars competing to see which driver was fastest. My Prepared Touring 318i cannot be as fast as an Unlimited M3, so the PAX index is supposed to balance the times. I hope that makes it more understandable?

BahnBaum
05-01-2007, 09:27 PM
Um. At the unmitigated risk of sounding like a total novice - - oh, wait, I am a total novice, and a slow one at that...:tongue:

What is the "Diff." column on the results sheet? And what exactly is PAX? I mean, I understand that it is a handicapping system, but how does it work? Is there a good link that I can go to in order to read about it? :confused:

Thanks for a great event! :biggrin:

http://www.tirerack.com/features/solo2/handbook.htm#Anchorpax

This references SCCA pax, but it'll give you the concept. Our issue is that we're trying to determine pax numbers off of a much much smaller dataset than the SCCA has....

Diff is the amount of time behind the next spot ahead of you.

Alex

hoyabmw
05-02-2007, 06:52 AM
Results have been updated. PAX for Showroom A was updated, and a couple misclassings were taken care of.

JimHarris
05-02-2007, 07:52 AM
I'd like to add my thanks for getting the results up so quickly. Very impressive.

I also thought that the course was excellent and really fun to drive. The visuals were a little weird until you walked the course or viewed it from various points around the perimeter, and then it made perfect sense.

It was my maiden voyage in the M Coupe, and I was surprised at the extent of the understeer. But I got some useful mechanical tips from my fellow PSS M Coupers, and I'll be in better shape next time.

Cheers,

Jim

1996 328ti
05-02-2007, 12:19 PM
I'd like to add my thanks for getting the results up so quickly. Very impressive.
A well oiled machine. :)

hoyabmw
05-02-2007, 01:01 PM
A well oiled machine. :)

that bypassed last year's slow gear :)

RED//MSHOE
05-02-2007, 07:41 PM
It was my maiden voyage in the M Coupe,


Jim


WHAT!!!!

I thought you were co-driving Woody's. Did you buy on Jim?

I don't see you registered for the Cumberland event, it would be cool to have another coupe out there this weekend (may 5th, and 6th)

Cool Jim!

Jason Becker

JimHarris
05-03-2007, 06:41 AM
WHAT!!!!

I thought you were co-driving Woody's. Did you buy on Jim?

I don't see you registered for the Cumberland event, it would be cool to have another coupe out there this weekend (may 5th, and 6th)

Cool Jim!

Jason Becker

Jason, I will be at Cumberland, only with my ZO6.

I bought a 1999 Cosmos Black Coupe that used to be owned by Randy Cummins. 25,600 miles. I thought it would handle with some sticky tires but am now convinced it needs a suspension pronto. When I get this done I'll drive it at the Cumberland events and maybe some others. You'll have M Coupe company soon enough.

See You,

Jim