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pranu
03-13-2007, 05:57 PM
Since - people want to close down the winter tire thread for the season figured this would be a good time for me to get people's opinions on what they feel might be a good summer tire to have.

I have had winters (17" Dunlop SP Sport Winter 3D) on my E46 M3 and am now looking to change back to my summer setup with 19".

I currently have Goodyear Eagle F1s on my wheels - and can't say I had any complaints. I felt I had pretty decent traction for my non track spririted driving. I cant say anything about the road noise - because again that was normal to me as I didnt have any comparison basis.

But these tires are pretty much gone and I need a new set.
My setup if I remember correctly is
Front: 245/35/19 Rear: 275/30/19 (will have to check the tires at home)


I have looked at tire rack (read the reviews), I know I can go talk to Sam (radial tire) - but I was just wondering how varied the choices of people around here is - or do we actually have a consistent winner.

Thanks All!

Pranu

Biggins
03-13-2007, 06:13 PM
I love the Hankook RS-2 Z212 as a summer street tire, but it depends what you're looking for in a summer tire. They're cheap, are great in the rain, and give me great performance for what they are. I'm also doubtful their sizes go that high.

If price were no object for me, I'd probably go with the Yokohama AD07. The Hankooks I have are pretty similar to the AD07s.

pranu
03-13-2007, 06:40 PM
Price wise - I guess no matter which tire I look at I am getting close to or slightly above the $1000 mark for a set of 4.

The Goodyears if I were to go for them again would be 1132 from Tire Rack) - I guess I would like to keep it around that ballpark. Doubt there would be others FAR MORE expensive than that. But then again I have been known to be way off in my estimates :)

bren
03-13-2007, 07:17 PM
Expensive - Michelin PSII

Cheap - Kumho Ecsta SPT

mlytle
03-13-2007, 08:14 PM
blizzak ws-50's!!!

:)

OwnedbyDuncan
03-14-2007, 03:54 AM
Actually Sam is sking this week. I would check Manny, Mo and Jack's weekly circular and go with the 80000 mile house brand tire in your size.
Something in a nice 80 series.

Always thought Pep Boys should be the supplier of a nice hard slow tire
for drivers scools. A tire students can learn car control on.

Dave Apker

ChosenGSR
03-14-2007, 08:41 AM
Cheap - Kumho Ecsta SPT

Why not the Kumho MXs? They are their highest performance (as far as I know) tire and it's dirt cheap as well. It's very highly praised on bimmerforums for track/autox use.

bren
03-14-2007, 09:49 AM
Why not the Kumho MXs? They are their highest performance (as far as I know) tire and it's dirt cheap as well. It's very highly praised on bimmerforums for track/autox use.

We are talking about a daily driver tire. The MX may be a marginally better dry tire but the SPT is better in the rain, will be more quiet on the highway, and has better tread life.

ChosenGSR
03-14-2007, 10:01 AM
We are talking about a daily driver tire. The MX may be a marginally better dry tire but the SPT is better in the rain, will be more quiet on the highway, and has better tread life.

He does drive a M3 :) I have a fresh set of MXs on my e36 M3 which will see their first event this weekend. I've been running Micheline PS1 up until now.

pranu
03-14-2007, 10:20 AM
He does drive a M3 :) I have a fresh set of MXs on my e36 M3 which will see their first event this weekend. I've been running Micheline PS1 up until now.

:) yes I do drive a M3 - but I am scared of tracking/autocrossing it - so haven't mustered up the courage of attending any events yet. Every year I get the complete checkup done with the intent of signing up for something - but chicken out at the last minute.

Now if the tire does help at events and is a decent daily driver type tire - thats great - but otherwise daily driver with decent wet response would be nice.

Of course from all the other responses here I seem to see no two people prefer the same tire :)

How are you liking the PS1s? I did read up on the PSIIs and while they are $$$$ they seem to have the praise from people backing the $$$$. I wonder if one can make a comparison between the PS Is and the PS IIs.


Also - for my education - what should I be looking for in the sidewall of a tire? FYI - I have PSS9s as my suspension - set to be a bit on the stiffer side.

I did have a crack in my rim last year while I had the goodyear eagle F1's on. While I try to avoid city driving as much as possible - it does happen regularly. Does a softer sidewall allow for more flex and therefore protect the rims more or does a harder side wall take impacts better? Should I even be worry about this - i.e.. is the difference in the tires hardly noticeable?

ChosenGSR
03-14-2007, 12:21 PM
I have no experience with PSIIs, but I hear nothing but good things about them. PS1s were pretty darn good, but I wouldn't pay for them again. Honestly, there are many excellent choices in the "ultra high performance" segment that will run you a fraction of the cost of bridgestones or michelines with equal and often better performance. From what I read the tires of choice for many DE/Autox guys are Kumho MX and Falken RT-615.

You might be looking for something in a slightly different segment though.

Biggins
03-14-2007, 12:34 PM
From your description, like bren said, I'd go with the Kumho SPT. You may also consider the Toyo T1R. They are both great summer tires.

AG
03-14-2007, 01:55 PM
The Bridgestone RE050A-PP might be another option. It at least appears to be significantly cheaper than the S03-PP it replaced.

jkuper
03-15-2007, 07:13 AM
I did have a crack in my rim last year while I had the goodyear eagle F1's on. While I try to avoid city driving as much as possible - it does happen regularly. Does a softer sidewall allow for more flex and therefore protect the rims more or does a harder side wall take impacts better? Should I even be worry about this - i.e.. is the difference in the tires hardly noticeable?

What tire pressures do u normally run?

bren
03-15-2007, 07:53 AM
I drive an M3 also ;)

PSI are crap, the SPT is a far better tire. I also agree with the T1-R as a second "cheap" option.

Soft or stiff, there isn't really enough sidewall to help with impacts. You just need to slow down and watch out in the city.

AlfaEric
03-15-2007, 08:55 AM
:) yes I do drive a M3 - but I am scared of tracking/autocrossing it - so haven't mustered up the courage of attending any events yet. Every year I get the complete checkup done with the intent of signing up for something - but chicken out at the last minute.


Registration is open for the autocross school. :)
http://www.nccbmwcca.org/index.php?id=98,64,0,0,1,0

---Eric

pranu
03-15-2007, 02:47 PM
What tire pressures do u normally run?


I used to follow the placard for the 19" sizes. (Although my sizes are the non-OEM 19s - I figured that was good enough.)

Since the time I had the crack (and switched to winters then) I found out that a higher PSI would help me safegaurd my rims better.

So I guess this time around - I need more education on what might be right - and what would I sacrifice by going higher?

(I have much to learn :) )

pranu
03-15-2007, 02:49 PM
Registration is open for the autocross school. :)
http://www.nccbmwcca.org/index.php?id=98,64,0,0,1,0

---Eric

Thinking about it :)

Not sure if I am in town that weekend...

Thanks for the heads up though!

jkuper
03-15-2007, 07:19 PM
I used to follow the placard for the 19" sizes. (Although my sizes are the non-OEM 19s - I figured that was good enough.)

Since the time I had the crack (and switched to winters then) I found out that a higher PSI would help me safegaurd my rims better.

So I guess this time around - I need more education on what might be right - and what would I sacrifice by going higher?

(I have much to learn :) )

I think I ran smth like 37/38F and 35/36R COLD when I had the E49 with 19" CSL wheels. I think numbers on the door were considerably lower.

bren
03-15-2007, 09:21 PM
So I guess this time around - I need more education on what might be right - and what would I sacrifice by going higher?
Ride comfort/harshness, and possibly wear if you over-inflate too much.

magnetic1
03-17-2007, 09:04 AM
The T1R is a good all around street performer and is relatively cheap.

The Hankook would be another good bet for more grip, but higher wear.

pranu
04-02-2007, 03:45 PM
So I spoke to Sam at Radial Tire - his view was

1. SPII - Very good - Expensive
2. Goodyear Eagle F1- GSD3 - Almost Equally good as the Michelins
3. Toyo - almost as good as the Eagle F1 - just gives you a quicker feel.

So i decided to go with the Goodyears - since I had them before and I really liked them. But apparently they are hard to get right now and the price is through the roof - so I decided to go with the Toyo's instead. Definitely a huge saving in $$$ over the others.

Thanks all for your opinions folks!

1996 328ti
04-02-2007, 06:14 PM
You may want to wait until after this weekend to put on summer tires.
Expect temps in the low 20s.

OwnedbyDuncan
04-02-2007, 06:42 PM
Nothing better than Easter Egg hunts in the snow!

Dave Apker

4WDrift
04-03-2007, 01:38 AM
For a summer daily tire, my priorities are 1 - stiff sidewall for response/handling, 2 - wet traction, 3 - dry traction. Dry test results will be close enough and higher than most everyday conditions, while wet test results are much more relevant to daily use IMO: a poor wet tire will really show it, though the max perf category should already be close to your limits. My choice brands are: Bridgestone, Toyo, Yokohama, Firestone (BS clone), and Goodyear. Michelin is too expensive for the value.

slantsixm3
04-03-2007, 11:21 AM
All:
I'm on my second set of Bridgestone RE950's, that should say something.
Good wear, smooth ride, good road feel, excellent rain performance, good dry performance. I just commuter-drive on the street. As should you.

We had a student car at SP-Jeff last year in moderate-heavy rain on Toyo T1R's that drove past us like it had claws. Amazing. Ask (our) Jenson Button...

Pranu-
An easy way to decide about getting involved with driving events is to attend without participating. It's free, at either autocross or driver's school. Just hang out and observe the scene. At either, the event co-ordinators can probably get you a "ride-along" with someone else, it's great fun, and the only way to really know what you are getting into. At some driver's schools, if you are around on Saturday evening, you also get a great bbq dinner.:biggrin:

pranu
04-03-2007, 03:27 PM
We had a student car at SP-Jeff last year in moderate-heavy rain on Toyo T1R's that drove past us like it had claws. Amazing. Ask (our) Jenson Button...

Now that makes me feel VERY GOOD about my decision!!! :)



Pranu-
An easy way to decide about getting involved with driving events is to attend without participating. It's free, at either autocross or driver's school. Just hang out and observe the scene. At either, the event co-ordinators can probably get you a "ride-along" with someone else, it's great fun, and the only way to really know what you are getting into. At some driver's schools, if you are around on Saturday evening, you also get a great bbq dinner.:biggrin:

Yeah - I do hope to attend the AutoXs this year to see what the fuss is all about :wink: . Looking forward to it actually.

mynameisBMW
04-08-2007, 08:12 PM
All:
I'm on my second set of Bridgestone RE950's, that should say something.
Good wear, smooth ride, good road feel, excellent rain performance, good dry performance. I just commuter-drive on the street. As should you.


I second this. I got my first set of Bridgestone's a couple of weeks ago and have just finished wearing them past the release agent. They stick as good as I can expect and are extremely quiet compared to the Falken's that I used to run. I run them with about 30 psi and will probably dial that up soon. Check out the reviews on tirerack, I know it is not gospel because whenever that many people are involved there are bound to be a lot who have no idea what they are doing, but people have put a lot of miles on these tires. There are not a lot who have bad things to say about them.

pranu
04-19-2007, 09:49 AM
So I got my Toyo T1-Rs last Thursday. Was down in Richmond for Saturday when the decently heavy rains hit us - drove up to Centreville, in the rain - and felt quite comfortable with the tires - there was a little bit of water accumulation here and there along the way - but I never felt the car slide out from under me. Did give me a bit of confidence.

I am guessing that things will only get better after I am done with about 1000+ odd miles on the new tires. Am at about 650 right now.

Already yesterday I decided to try and have some fun and pushed the car a little bit on the slight curvy part of Compton road - enjoyed it! :D

Thanks all for your advice again!