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Locksmythe
11-20-2006, 03:45 PM
What do others use for winter tires in our area? I went looking for snow tires at Costco and they said no one buys them because there isn't enough snow. Do any of you use snow tires? DO you use all seasons? Do you just leave your summer performance tires on year round?

1996 328ti
11-20-2006, 03:58 PM
I think you'll find most of us use winter tires. My latest favorite is Vredstein (sp). You might get away with no-seasons, but definately not Z-rated tires.

wolfgang20878
11-20-2006, 04:40 PM
I'm interested also, as my all-seasons are getting worn.

Vredesteins come in different categories, I've heard they are great. They have several types. By "winter tires" do you mean "ice/snow tires "(e.g., Vredestein Snowtrac or Blizzak WS-50) or "performance winter" tires (e.g., Vredestein Wintrak Extreme or Dunlop Winter Sport M3)? Besides snow, which we don't have much of, I guess it comes down to temperature, but which to use for what temp?

Thanks for the clarification.

-John

OwnedbyDuncan
11-20-2006, 04:43 PM
Radial Tire in Silver Spring will set you up at prices equal to COstco and better service. Vredsteins are great. However they dont make anything in the correct size for my Element so I am trying Michelin Latitude Ices.
I used Vredsteins for 15 years and they are great in the snow but better than almost all snow tires in the dry.

No seasons are okay but driving with the tail out gets old. Snow tires are a lot more secure feeling when there is snow on the ground.

Blizzaks just arent as secure felling in the dry and wet as Vredsteins.

Remember in DC area the roads dont stay snow covered for any more than a couple of days. Then you go from dry roads to slush to snow pack.

If the roads do stay covered in this area it means that we either got 2 feet of the stuff and BMWs dont have the ground clearance to go in it or the temp is below 20 degrees and the driving is easier than it is when the roads are snow covered and the temp is above 25 degrees. My lowered 90 325i w 2.5= degrees of negative camber was good in up to about 8-10 inches of snow with snow tires and a 100lbs of sand in trunk in a rubber amid container.

Anyone in NOVA want a 100lbs of sand free in a rubber maid container?

Dave Apker

OwnedbyDuncan
11-20-2006, 04:44 PM
Snow trac's.

Dave Apker

Locksmythe
11-20-2006, 05:11 PM
Do most of you have a second set of wheels for this purpose? Are your winter rims smaller? I was planning to down-size to 17x7.5 from the standard staggered 18x8/18x9 on a 550.

Do you use more than 2 types of tire in a year?

1996 328ti
11-20-2006, 07:15 PM
Do most of you have a second set of wheels for this purpose? Are your winter rims smaller? I was planning to down-size to 17x7.5 from the standard staggered 18x8/18x9 on a 550.

Do you use more than 2 types of tire in a year?
I have a set of 15" steel wheels but I doubt they would clear any calipers made in this century. It's much easier to have a dedicated set of tires.

I'd want a narrower tire and one with a higher profile.
All my winter tires are 15s. My summer tires are 17s.

Biggins
11-20-2006, 07:48 PM
I have 15" bottlecaps with Bridgestone Blizzaks 205/60/15 for the winter and 16" oem sport wheels with summer tires for Spring/Summer/Fall for my E36.

I live way out in the boonies and snowboard regularly in PA (where roads aren't always great after snows), and I wouldn't drive on anything else in the winter.

OwnedbyDuncan
11-20-2006, 08:22 PM
I used to have street tires on 14in wheels 19566514, winter tires on a set of really ugly bottle caps 1956514 and track tires on 7.5x15 2055015 on my E30325i.

I know at least one E30325is owner who has Michelin studded snow tires.

Dave Apker

Locksmythe
11-20-2006, 11:23 PM
I'm curious, how much effect could 100 lbs of sand have on a 4000 lb car? I know yours is lighter than mine, but not THAT much lighter.

ErikT
11-21-2006, 01:40 AM
I just swapped bottlecaps w/snows on my E30 today. I'm headed to Upstate NY for turkeyday and I'd rather be safe than stuck!

OwnedbyDuncan
11-21-2006, 06:10 AM
In my E30325i a big difference and that is with a LSD. Even in the wet it makes a difference. The owners manual recommends 50kg of sand for the winter for the E30

Dave Apker

AlfaEric
11-21-2006, 08:27 AM
I used to run all seasons until I tried a set of summer tires. As soon as the temp started dropping I bought another set of wheels, a set of Vredsteins and haven't looked back. I used to HATE driving in the winter because I thought my car sucked in the snow. It turns out it was simply the no-seasons.

Just keep an eye out for someone dumping their stock wheels. You can usually pick them up cheap. Since they are going to be out in the snow/salt and you will only be using them for a couple months, I wouldn't bother buying a "new" set (unless you want new summer wheels). Find something cheap that you don't care about. :wink:

---Eric

Locksmythe
11-21-2006, 09:23 AM
yeah, I did start looking for people selling their stock wheels, but was concerned that there is no way I could know how much they were abused. I figured I would just buy a set on BMWWheels.com, or if I really want to be cheap, order aftermarket from TireRack.com.

Has anyone looked into what it would cost to order a set of wheels with club discount at Tischer and compared that to online prices?

1996 328ti
11-21-2006, 09:33 AM
Has anyone looked into what it would cost to order a set of wheels with club discount at Tischer and compared that to online prices?Probably A LOT. You might want to call Radial Tires and see if they have any takeoffs. Their number is 301-585-2740. They must buy takeoffs from a catalog. I'm sure it will be cheaper than a dealer. A dealer is probably going to sell new.

AlfaEric
11-21-2006, 09:51 AM
yeah, I did start looking for people selling their stock wheels, but was concerned that there is no way I could know how much they were abused. I figured I would just buy a set on BMWWheels.com, or if I really want to be cheap, order aftermarket from TireRack.com.

Has anyone looked into what it would cost to order a set of wheels with club discount at Tischer and compared that to online prices?
I think a lot of people dumping their stock wheels are just doing it because they want a different look. They will usually post detailed photos of the rims. If not, ask for some and whenever possible buy locally so you can see them before you pay. If you are uncomfortable buying from someone online, you could always try asking your mechanic if he knows anyone trying to get rid of theirs.

---Eric

OwnedbyDuncan
11-21-2006, 10:06 AM
Many time Radial Tire has soemthing in the back. You can go back in the warehouse with same on a quest for wheels. It is an interesting experience.

I be at Radial Tire hopefully Satruday for snows.

Dave Apker

ErikT
11-21-2006, 01:22 PM
If you're looking for used rims I'd recommend checking Craigslist.org. I've seen a decent selection of local BMW rims for sale on there.

pranu
11-21-2006, 01:41 PM
I just got a new snow setup - bought cheap ASA JH3s (17s)from Tirerack for $99 a piece.

Phat Ham
11-22-2006, 01:19 PM
I'm interested also, as my all-seasons are getting worn.

Vredesteins come in different categories, I've heard they are great. They have several types. By "winter tires" do you mean "ice/snow tires "(e.g., Vredestein Snowtrac or Blizzak WS-50) or "performance winter" tires (e.g., Vredestein Wintrak Extreme or Dunlop Winter Sport M3)? Besides snow, which we don't have much of, I guess it comes down to temperature, but which to use for what temp? I'm pretty sure most people around here run performance winter tires. It just doesn't snow enough for the studless ice/snow tires to be effective. Last December I bought a used set of wheels with Dunlop Wintersport M2 tires on them and had good results.

odortiz
11-23-2006, 12:19 AM
i have a set of 16"s with dunlop M2's with lots of tread for sale
from an e36 with sport package. will not clear e36 m3 front calipers.
http://forum.nccbmwcca.org/showthread.php?t=2156

edit: these have been sold

EShott
11-24-2006, 07:23 PM
I just checked with Radial Tire today - They have no Vredsteins and don't expect to get any in. They will special order, but can't give a date that the tires might arrrive.:frown:

1996 328ti
11-24-2006, 07:33 PM
Being that it's going to be in the 60s this weekend, I hope to swap tires on all my cars.

Locksmythe
12-13-2006, 12:59 AM
I decided to use my standard rims for winter tires, trash the run flats that came on them, and buy new rims from Tischer for summer tires as soon as it warms up. Ticsher's price was only about $8 more per wheel than I found online, so I'll just buy them locally. They'll probably even match the other price but I'll deal with that when the time comes.

Anyone interested in barely used run flats? 245/40/18 and 275/35/18 -staggered for the 545/550 sport wheels

OwnedbyDuncan
12-13-2006, 06:41 AM
Didnt see any NCC members at Radial Tire on Saturday when I had my snow tires and new wheels put on the Toaster. Michelin Latitude Ice's give better dry weather performance than the Crapyear Strangler's that were OEM.

With Vredstein's you dont need to spend the money on performance winter tires. They provide great dry weather performance. You might want to also look at Michelin's winter tires for a little more money.. Would take Vredstein's over Dunlop's anyday.

Also dont forget to check with Sam they might have take offs somewhere in the vast warehouse in the back.

Dave Apker, Duncan HRD1s and Nirvanna's Late Summer Squall

Locksmythe
12-13-2006, 04:14 PM
Got Mich Alpin 2s coming to the Costco nearest the dealership. I'll change them as soon as they come in. The car has been at the VPC since last week - expecting it here any day now.

OwnedbyDuncan
12-13-2006, 05:20 PM
Not sure I would trust Costco with anything but steel wheels and even then I would have second thoughts. Plus you cant beat Radial Tires prices to mount and balance.

Dave Apker

Locksmythe
12-13-2006, 10:12 PM
I hear nothing but good things about costco service, and see they handle maseratis and ferraris from the dealership next to BMW of Sterling, too. I watched through the service bay window before ordering.

Radial Tires is a long way from Haymarket.

OwnedbyDuncan
12-14-2006, 06:19 AM
I drive to Radial Tire from Clifton and before that Burke. Only takes me 30 minutes to get there on Saturday morning to be in line at 800am sharp.

Missed a herding lesson to get tires this past Saturday. BTW their is COSTCO, Sam's Club and Craven tire all within 3 miles of my house.

Dave Apker and collies

tprenaldo
12-15-2006, 08:20 AM
ALCON (All Concerned)

Please remember to include the year and model of your vehicle. As we all have different rim and tire setups. Whatever rim size you utilize in the summer, you need to go down one rim size or the original OEM size for the winter. I find that the you can't beat Michelins, however, Bridgestone Blizzaks are great for the snow if your into runflats. I recently went with Vredersteins and they are the greatest for the summer. I'll try them for winter next!. Price wise Costco can't be beat for purchase only! Then take the tires to your dealership for installation, especially with the runflats! Costco does not have the equipment for that. Costco only sells Bridgestones and Michelins. So where do you get your Vredersteins? Try Autowerks in Cali, and ask for Josh. He'll give you a good price and ship them to your door.

OwnedbyDuncan
12-15-2006, 10:14 AM
Just go to Radial Tire. Forget Costco and the stealer! No one else has the equipment to balance the tires while they are on the car. You cant beat their prices. 10 bucks for mounting! Why would you get your Vredsteins from Cali when you can get them from Paul and Sam.

I picked up my snows at Radial Tire last Saturday. Sam had them mounted on the wheels and ready to go. Sam went on vacation and Paul was worried we would ahve to serch for them. They were right in the shop and easy to find. Had them installed and Paul wasnt sure about the cost. He said call Sam on Tuesday. I did and we settled up over the phone. Neither Tire Rack or Discount Tire came with a hundred dollars of the out the door price offered by Radial Tire. You need to consider your total cost of having the tires mounted, balanced and put on your car.


Dave Apker and the collies

SpongeBob
12-15-2006, 11:29 AM
December 15 - --and I've got the TOP DOWN!

woodym3
12-15-2006, 11:53 AM
ALCON (All Concerned)

I recently went with Vredersteins and they are the greatest for the summer. I'll try them for winter next!.
The way things are going you may not get a chance.
Woody
(4 snow tires all poised for a forecast for snow)