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jongchen
10-27-2006, 07:52 AM
I'll be attending the Nov drivers school and it will be the first time I've ever been to one. After reading through all the materials in the packet it says that all items from your car including the items in the trunk needs to be removed. Where do you put all the removed items while you are at the track? Do people just bring a big box and dump their stuff into that?

Thanks.

1996 328ti
10-27-2006, 08:10 AM
You leave your stuff near your car on the grass in the paddock.
Some people use large plastic storage containers.
You can also use a large tarp.
I have a small popup tent.
You need to keep your stuff dry and prevent it from blowing away.
The best advice is to leave whatever you can at home.

OwnedbyDuncan
10-27-2006, 08:17 AM
And clean out the interior. CDs and empty soda bottles need to go along with cleaning out your glove compartment just in case. There have been instances where either the driver or a passenger has been decapitated by a piece of paper in high speed accident. Lucky this hasnt happened at a CCA school but there have been incidents where something has gotten stuck underneath the accelerator or brake pedal.

Rubbermaid tubs are great and then you can use for sand bags in the winter time.

Dave Apker

AlfaEric
10-27-2006, 08:22 AM
...and empty that pile of loose change. It's distracting to take a turn and hear all the coins sliding around. :wink:

---Eric

OwnedbyDuncan
10-27-2006, 09:10 AM
And take your wallet out of your back packet. Seriously it helps!

Dave Apker

AlfaEric
10-27-2006, 09:14 AM
And take your wallet out of your back packet. Seriously it helps!

Dave Apker
But then I would be sliding into the hole my wallet has formed in the seat over the years. :tongue:

---Eric

hoyabmw
10-27-2006, 10:17 AM
...and empty that pile of loose change. It's distracting to take a turn and hear all the coins sliding around. :wink:

---Eric

that rattling wasn't loose change....

AlfaEric
10-27-2006, 10:55 AM
that rattling wasn't loose change....

...It was just what's left of my brain rattling around. :frown:

---Eric

Dirichlet
10-27-2006, 12:53 PM
There have been instances where either the driver or a passenger has been decapitated by a piece of paper in high speed accident. . .

That was sarcasm, correct??

OwnedbyDuncan
10-27-2006, 03:31 PM
No I can get you the page # but it is from the book Motorsport Medicine. Has lots of very nice charts about g loads your body will take into a fixed object at different speeds. And little facts like pices of paper decapitating a driver or passenger. When Big E had his fatal crash at Daytona I knew he was dead or crtically injured at the moment of impact. And knew the bone he fractured.

I used to keep it by the phone with pages tabed when I was drivers school coordinator and students questioned NCCs safety procedures etc.

And besides the book my brother and sister are volunteer firefighters and brother in law a battalion fire chief at Reagan National and they can tell stories about incidents when some was killed or decapitated by a piece of paer or other object in the car in a high speed accident. They ar e loads of fun at Thanksgiving along with my sister in law the vet describing neutering dogs.

Sorry no sarcasm intended or implied which is why a full face helmet is not a bad idea.

Dave Apker

Scotty
10-27-2006, 03:39 PM
Sorry, I have a hard time believing that any object having the mass and surface area of a piece of paper is going to hurt anyone seriously -- let alone cut through 4 inches of bone, muscle, tendon, and flesh. Yeah, yeah, a tornado can blow a toothpick into a tree trunk -- an entirely different set of physical parameters, no?

I'm thinking "urban legend". :rolleyes:

AlfaEric
10-27-2006, 04:16 PM
Sorry, I have a hard time believing that any object having the mass and surface area of a piece of paper is going to hurt anyone seriously -- let alone cut through 4 inches of bone, muscle, tendon, and flesh. Yeah, yeah, a tornado can blow a toothpick into a tree trunk -- an entirely different set of physical parameters, no?

I'm thinking "urban legend". :rolleyes:

The piece of paper was in a metal binder at the time.... :biggrin:

---Eric

1996 328ti
10-27-2006, 06:27 PM
Let's stay 'on track' with this thread.

SharkD
11-06-2006, 02:40 PM
When I attend an HPDE, I clean out the car the night before, removing everything that I don't want or need on the drive out or during the track day. For track-day stuff, I've found that a big rubbermaid snap-lid container (usually, the largest that will still fit in my trunk) makes an excellent track box, for things like tools, paper towels, extra qt of oil, etc.

A decent size tarp is also a good idea -- it always seems like it's either recently rained or threatening to do so, while at the track.

Other than a cooler, I also bring a small messenger bag or backpack -- for stuff like my wallet, watch, cell phone, clean t-shirt, hat, book and sunscreen.

(Knock on wood) I've never had any problems with things walking off at an NCC school (or any track event, for that matter). Generally, everyone's out there for the same goal and there's a strong sense of camaraderie. That, of course, doesn't mean you should leave expensive stuff lying about in the open, however.

BTW, for a good list of stuff to stick in your rubbermaid box/day bag, look at this thread here: http://forum.nccbmwcca.org/showthread.php?t=817&highlight=bring (Ignore that it says "autocross")

---
Off-course excursion: Not to say that Mythbusters is truly scientific, but a rebuttal to the "Killer Tissue Box" legend (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7E34vOJJCc&mode=related&search=).

woodym3
11-06-2006, 04:28 PM
I'm thinking "urban legend". :rolleyes:
You took the words right out of my mouth Scotty. But bad things can happen with stuff left in the car, either on purpose or accidently. One time between sessions at Road Atlanta I drove out to turn 7 to take pictures and video of friends. Returning to the paddock I got distracted by a pretty blonde student, and then later went out in my car. At the end of the session I opened my trunk to investigate a clunking noise. There was my SLR and Camcorder, lenses, film canisters, etc that had been thrown all over the trunk from the open camera bags.
Then there's the National Capital Chapter member who drove his tow truck over a nice set of Nikon camera gear belonging to someone else in the paddock at VIR.

1996 328ti
11-06-2006, 08:22 PM
I think jongchen has been scared away for fear of being beheaded.
I always thought the most dangerous part of driving schools was the drive to and from the track.

SharkD
11-07-2006, 01:35 PM
F=M*A

In order to apply enough pressure at the base of your neck to break the skin bone and spinal column, you'd have to be traveling somewhere in the neighborhood of a few thousand miles per hour.

Newtonian Physics, FTW.

AlfaEric
11-07-2006, 01:41 PM
F=M*A

In order to apply enough pressure at the base of your neck to break the skin bone and spinal column, you'd have to be traveling somewhere in the neighborhood of a few thousand miles per hour.

Newtonian Physics, FTW.
I guess they removed the speed governor. :tongue:

---Eric

Phat Ham
11-09-2006, 04:10 PM
F=M*A

In order to apply enough pressure at the base of your neck to break the skin bone and spinal column, you'd have to be traveling somewhere in the neighborhood of a few thousand miles per hour.

Newtonian Physics, FTW. well, it is pretty easy to break the skin. Have you ever gotten a paper cut?