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Dirichlet
04-26-2006, 08:58 AM
Has any information been released concerning who has been accepted / wait listed? I am very eager to know (hoping that I'm on the accepted list).

~Colin

TMB_540i
04-26-2006, 11:13 AM
I haven't received anything yet. Nothing in the mail or e-mail. Don't we normally get this package 3-4 weeks before the event??

1996 328ti
04-26-2006, 11:40 AM
Emails should be going out shortly. Right now it might be in the hands of the CI. If you sent in your registration form and all the documention the first 3 days you are probably in.

DougV
04-30-2006, 11:24 PM
I'm working on it. Hopefully, the acceptance emails will go out tomorrow evening.

TMB_540i
05-02-2006, 03:46 PM
Doug, Thanks for all the hard work. I got my confirmation e-mail last night or early this morning.

SMOODY
05-02-2006, 03:59 PM
I got my confirmation also. :icon_joy:

Dirichlet
05-03-2006, 07:42 AM
I'll be there too - WOOT !!!

Tom, your car is going to take up the entire width of the track... you have to be in your own run group :-p

Dax
05-03-2006, 11:56 AM
I got my confirmation also. Going to be a good weekend.

TMB_540i
05-04-2006, 02:02 PM
I'll be there too - WOOT !!!

Tom, your car is going to take up the entire width of the track... you have to be in your own run group :-p

Colin, just line up behind me on the grid and stay behind me on the track and there won't be a problem.:wink:

Dirichlet
05-04-2006, 03:45 PM
Colin, just line up behind me on the grid and stay behind me on the track and there won't be a problem.:wink:


In the words of the great Cliff Huxtable, "CHALLANGE!!!!"
:D

1996 328ti
05-04-2006, 07:04 PM
71 people registered for this school with most people registering the first few days. I am glad we cut the mail in registration period to 2 weeks. Then we'd have people procrastinating for 3 weeks instead of 2.

And we are going to need everyone's cooperation, especially with this school.
EVERYONE including guests will be required to wear wristbands.
They will be distributed at registration.
NO cars are allowed to go over to the main track to watch the Jeff 500 or get food.
You can park near the silo but on the 'doah side only.

We want to prevent traffic from the Jefferson 500 coming over.
Lunch on Sunday will be at the Jefferson 500.
I need guests to register for the Sunday lunch using the form at http://www.nccbmwcca.org/index.php?id=97,420,0,0,1,0
Those attending the school, please don't use the form.

There will also be 2 charcoal grills for instructors, students, workers and guests to use.

VA 330Ci
05-05-2006, 12:49 PM
Hi all. I am a new member, but will be at the DE (got my confirmation:biggrin: ). Question...Is driving to the track in the morning doable? Or do most stay at a close by hotel? I will be coming from Alexandria.

Other than that, just wanted to say hi and see everyone there!

Steve

ob325
05-05-2006, 12:55 PM
Hi all. I am a new member, but will be at the DE (got my confirmation:biggrin: ). Question...Is driving to the track in the morning doable? Or do most stay at a close by hotel? I will be coming from Alexandria.

Other than that, just wanted to say hi and see everyone there!

Steve

If you want to get to the track at 7 when it opens, just leave Alexandria around 5:45am.

Dirichlet
05-05-2006, 01:31 PM
Hi all. I am a new member, but will be at the DE (got my confirmation:biggrin: ). Question...Is driving to the track in the morning doable? Or do most stay at a close by hotel? I will be coming from Alexandria.

Other than that, just wanted to say hi and see everyone there!

Steve


Driving there in the morning on sat won't be a problem... I like to stay in the area on Sat night b/c I'm often tired from the day's activities - plus it saves on gas. The choice is yours....
See you on the track
~Colin

joenationwide
05-05-2006, 03:32 PM
i am so bummed i have to miss this. if only it were 1 week later. have fun guys. i really want to check out shenandoah. i think its probably the perfect DE venue. (Ive heard its a little tight for racing).

TMB_540i
05-06-2006, 07:03 PM
Hi all. I am a new member, but will be at the DE (got my confirmation:biggrin: ). Question...Is driving to the track in the morning doable? Or do most stay at a close by hotel? I will be coming from Alexandria.

Other than that, just wanted to say hi and see everyone there!

Steve

I have done it both ways. It's a pretty leisurely 1 1/2 hour ride from my home so its not so bad. I usually get to the hotel so late on Friday night that its more of a convenience thing vs. being more rested. Saturday night is the more desirable night to have the hotel room.

SharkD
05-07-2006, 01:25 PM
Hi all. I am a new member, but will be at the DE (got my confirmation ). Question...Is driving to the track in the morning doable? Or do most stay at a close by hotel? I will be coming from Alexandria.
If you want to get to the track at 7 when it opens, just leave Alexandria around 5:45am.

Living in Pentagon City, taking the GW -> Sprout Run -> I-66 -> Dulles Toll Road/Greenway -> VA Route 7 -> Crums Church Rd/VA-632 -> Old Charlestown Rd/Hardesty Rd -> Summit Point Pike (and hitting the Shell station on Route 7 just after I-340/Berryville) would consistently get me to Summit Point at 6:55am, if I left at 5:40 am.

Personally, I preferred driving to the track over staying the night in Winchester or Charlestown -- the hour or so of driving made sure I was awake and I could be certain that the car was running fine -- you might not even be able to find a room, with the Jeff 500 going on at the same time.

A couple of tips:

Make sure you top off your tank at one of the gas stations (either the Shell or the ??? station on the other side of VA-632 from the turn to the track) -- you won't be able to get to the Main Circuit pumps and even if you could, you'd have to sell some vital organs to pay the total.

Take your numbers off your car before you leave the track -- Charlestown's finest go on revenue patrol alert during big race weekends.

Don't speed when you leave the track -- it'll feel so slow going the speed limit, but it's not worth it for the aforementioned reason.

SharkD
05-07-2006, 01:35 PM
i am so bummed i have to miss this. if only it were 1 week later. have fun guys. i really want to check out shenandoah. i think its probably the perfect DE venue. (Ive heard its a little tight for racing).

I survived racing on it. (2 days of practice, qualifying and full-on racing during my comp eval) :D It's not as tight as it looks, so long as you don't have a mechanical failure. I even had a Legends car push out and bump into me at the top of the rollercoaster (T14) and didn't even leave the track.

BTW, I'll make my triumphant return to NCC BMWCCA HPDE for the SP Main school. (Last milestone to qualify for IA.) If anyone's going to be down at VIR at the end of July, I'll make my 'official' racing debut on the North Course during the last weekend in July.

And you'll get to see the new Scuderia Smith paintjob.

Ball325
05-10-2006, 07:45 PM
is registration still open for this? sorry for being late but i jsut found out about this and since my m3 wont be ready for the club race at Lime Rock id like to do a track dy between events. Is it still open, or can i register late? Ill be looking to run with the advanced group if not with instructors. if that matters at all. Also i probably wont need an instructor. Have a BMW Comp License and SCCA Regional Comp License. And ive driven Shenandoah before. with NJ Chapter

Dax
05-10-2006, 09:05 PM
I am going to drive to the track both mornings. Is there anyone that is also driving from the Arlington/Alex area and would like to drive out together? Let me know.

Thanks Dax

1996 328ti
05-10-2006, 10:27 PM
is registration still open for this?Sorry. Registration is closed and the event is full. We have around 60 students each day plus a wait list.

Ball325
05-10-2006, 10:56 PM
what about non-students?

1996 328ti
05-10-2006, 11:04 PM
what about non-students?
Nope. It is not an open track day.
All students are assigned instructors, including advanced and those with CR and SCCA licenses.
Instructor sessions are for our instructors.

Ball325
05-11-2006, 07:00 PM
oh well, theres always next time. Thanks for the quick response

slantsixm3
05-11-2006, 07:02 PM
Steve, or anybody,
Will we be using the dedicated Shenndoah access road, or how will we get onto the track? I may have guests coming out at lunchtime (maybe with something for the grill), and don't want them paying for Jeff 500 access. Will this be possible, or are we "locked in"?
Are we gonna have access to the BMW corral on Sunday? and what about guests? My Pop should be a defacto member by now.
Actually, I'd be surprised if anyone has this all figured out already.
Thanks for any info.
Certainly nobody's gotta tell you to-
enjoy your BMW.
- Joel B.

1996 328ti
05-11-2006, 07:17 PM
Steve, or anybody,
Will we be using the dedicated Shenndoah access road, or how will we get onto the track? I may have guests coming out at lunchtime (maybe with something for the grill), and don't want them paying for Jeff 500 access. Will this be possible, or are we "locked in"?
Are we gonna have access to the BMW corral on Sunday? and what about guests? My Pop should be a defacto member by now.
Actually, I'd be surprised if anyone has this all figured out already.
Thanks for any info.
Certainly nobody's gotta tell you to-
enjoy your BMW.
- Joel B.From what I understand we will be using the Shenandoah entrance up until a certain time. Then they will close the gate and move a security guard to the access road between the Shenandoah and the main track. I don't know the specific time but I would think everyone attending the school should be there my 9:00 am. After that people will need to use the main entrance.

Currently the plan is to forbid vehicular traffic between the Shenandoah and main track. Primarily we don't unnecessary people in the paddock since the skid pad will be hot.

We will have a BMW parking area at the main track across from the access road to the Karousel between the bathrooms and road.

We'll have to play it by ear. My primary concern is traffic coming down off the bridge into our paddock.

1996 328ti
05-11-2006, 07:21 PM
oh well, theres always next time. Thanks for the quick responseOur schools fill up pretty fast. This one was full in 3 days. Priority goes to NCC members, then outside chapter members and finally non-members.

Ball325
05-11-2006, 07:43 PM
I understand. NJ and DelVal do it that way. but they dont have as many events.

dderr
05-12-2006, 06:45 AM
The Chapter rents BBQ grills for use by all participants at our drivers' schools--thanks to the Board and Steve for this amenity. Here are some guidelines:

As mentioned, they're there for everyone's use but the caveat is that nothing else is provided--no food, charcoal, utensils, plates, etc.--everyone must fend for her/himself. Ergo, bring whatever you want to cook/eat but keep in mind that you're best served by quicker-cooking items (12-hour slow cooked suckling pigs are not really a good idea, cooking-wise; half-frozen chicken takes just about as long), especially at lunch time where time is limited. Bring along some charcoal and some fluid to contribute to the cause, too; one or two people shouldn't always be supplying (and buying) these items for everyone. Same thing with plates/forks...Think about bringing along a cooking utensil, too. Most importantly, Bring something for your Instructor--you do want a good evaluation, don't you? And, a volunteer or two might be needed to fire things up an hour beforehand to handle the lunchtime crush.

You can disregard the above if you'd rather just go eat the SPR silage...

Also, keep in mind that a bunch of us are staying and cooking out on Saturday evening--same things apply: bring whatever you want to eat and drink (don't forget the wine glass and corkscrew) and pay homage to your Instructor with a good bottle of wine--82 Bordeaux, DRC, Colgin cabs, Grange, any Montrachet, Gaja Barbaresco, Dom, will almost do nicely...

Real M3
05-12-2006, 07:21 AM
Big Snip:
bring whatever you want to eat and drink (don't forget the wine glass and corkscrew) and pay homage to your Instructor with a good bottle of wine--82 Bordeaux, DRC, Colgin cabs, Grange, any Montrachet, Gaja Barbaresco, Dom, will almost do nicely...

Gee, I was thinkin' more along the lines of "Boone's Farm...........!"

1996 328ti
05-12-2006, 07:27 AM
Gee, I was thinkin' more along the lines of "Boone's Farm...........!"That could get you zeros with the comments, ban this student for life. Doesn't listen, danger to everyone on the track. Oh wait, that is my eval.:biggrin:

Real M3
05-12-2006, 07:34 AM
Heh, after my last eval at the Shenandoah, I figured I didn't have anything to lose!

Course, we could always invite the Audi driver "IFLYSOLO" whose exploits over the past week at both Pocono and Watkins Glen have been flying around the 'net!

1996 328ti
05-12-2006, 07:43 AM
Course, we could always invite the Audi driver "IFLYSOLO" whose exploits over the past week at both Pocono and Watkins Glen have been flying around the 'net!His account on the Audi forum has been suspended. Hopefully so was his license along with the Evo.
Forgive me, we are drifting way off topic.

Dirichlet
05-19-2006, 10:02 AM
I don't know who else is, but I know that I'm all fired-up about driving on this track. I've looked forwad to this since I saw the preliminary layout during construction. . .
See you all tomorrow morning.

~Colin

1996 328ti
05-21-2006, 06:19 PM
So what does everyone think about the Shenandoah?

fpol
05-21-2006, 06:57 PM
I went there to get my season started thinking I’d be tiptoeing around because of the limited runoff and close barriers. I was really hoping for a day at Summit Point Main.

…but after just 1-1/2 sessions I found it to be a fun track and much safer than it looks.

While not necessarily technical, the Karussel at speed is awesome. That whole bridge straight (straight?) over the top and brake into the compression before diving into the Karussel was some good stuff.

For me, it was a great track to work on patience as virtually every turn is a late apex, and many are blind. Lot’s of elevation changes and a few off camber turns as an added challenge.

Not particularly ‘fast’ but technical and fun to put together. I’ll definitely be trying to squeeze a weekend in there each year, as long as I can also get the Main Circuit as well.

gnhovis
05-22-2006, 08:52 AM
So what does everyone think about the Shenandoah?
What a wonderful time. Thanks to all of the instructors and everyone who worked behind the scenes to make it a success.

I don't think it was the walls that initially were a concern, but the drop-offs at track edge in some locations. But once you got up to speed I don't think I ever felt I was likely to track out to any of them though.

Turn 10 (the Karussell) was fun for a couple of sessions, but after a while you just sort of floored it out of turn 8, head for the middle of the track at the top of the hill under the bridge (hope there are no groundhogs or birds flying by that you can't see), drop into 10, do your best bobble-head impersonation as think about Miriam asking why you don't wear a helmet support, and then you return to regular scheduled programing before turn 11. Maybe the experience was different for the higher HP cars coming into it with higher entry speeds.

One idea might be to mix it up a bit by using that cut-off between 9 & 10 to cut over to 14, along with the 6,7,8 chicane on the first day, then the faster layout (6-8, 10) on the second. Another option would be to not drop into the banking on 10 for some sessions, but the track there seemed pretty narrow compared to the curve's namesake (http://www.ghbiker.de/nuerburgring/ringrunde/karussell/karussell3.jpg).... I haven't seen the real deal so I cannot compare.

That's my .02. Thanks.

steve b
05-22-2006, 11:45 AM
I would like to thank all of the organizers and workers of this event. This was my first NCC BMW event and I had a great time. Everyone was friendly and helpful even though I wasn't driving a BMW (red mr2).

Classroom and skidpad instruction was exceptional. After so many HPDEs it's refreshing to run into instructors with something new to discuss.

As for the Karrusell, I can understand some people saying they could take it or leave it, but to me, one of the best parts of the track is coming up out of the Karrusell and taking that little left hander as fast as possible and then getting slowed down enough to take the corkscrew. It would be a shame to use the cross over and cut all of that out.

1996 328ti
05-22-2006, 12:19 PM
Classroom and skidpad instruction was exceptional. After so many HPDEs it's refreshing to run into instructors with something new to discuss.I tell many people who ask after how many schools or sessions can they be soloed? If you are looking to be soloed, NCC is not for you. Our instructors do not sign off students so they can pack up and head home early. ;)
You won't hear an NCC instructor say, 'Well, there is nothing else I can teach you, do you want to go solo?'.

slantsixm3
05-22-2006, 04:38 PM
I tell many people who ask after how many schools or sessions can they be soloed? If you are looking to be soloed, NCC is not for you. Our instructors do not sign off students so they can pack up and head home early.
You won't hear an NCC instructor say, 'Well, there is nothing else I can teach you, do you want to go solo?'.

Actually, they do Steven. Not much of a ceremony, but it happens right before they hand you a blue jacket, and announce you are an NCC Instructor.
A fine day to be sure.

Of course, if you TAKE the jacket, the next thing you here is "now, go climb into that car with a complete stranger and pull out onto the racetrack".

What the hell was I thinking? :biggrin:

... and I had a great weekend at the Shenendoah too.

Phat Ham
05-22-2006, 05:29 PM
Another option would be to not drop into the banking on 10 for some sessions, but the track there seemed pretty narrow compared to the curve's namesake (http://www.ghbiker.de/nuerburgring/ringrunde/karussell/karussell3.jpg).... I haven't seen the real deal so I cannot compare.

That's my .02. Thanks. you don't have to drop into the Karrussel every time. I went around the top a few times myself.

AG
05-22-2006, 05:44 PM
Or you can go on the bottom too.

SMOODY
05-23-2006, 12:20 PM
I did not have any real issues with the track. I think the track is fine, although some of the run off areas look a little rough, which makes you really think twice about braking late into a turn.

My issue was with the skid pad. My first run on the skip pad on Saturday morning resulted in a spin (not unusual) and a bent right rear control arm (not good). There was one area on the inside of the skid pad that had an asphalt curb and a small hole in the dirt on the other side. The slide up the curb combined with the drop on the other side was enough to bend my right rear control arm. I now had positive camber on the rear, instead of negative. The consensous was that it was still driveable on the street, but a no go on the track. :frown:

I managed to get the car fixed and back at the school for the afternoon sessions. I would like to thank Steven Schlossman for putting me in touch with Road Race Technologies. We called them and they agreed to work on my car as soon as I could get it there. I drove to their shop as gingerly as possible. :icon_nerv

When I arrived, they were ready for me. They had a bay cleared and replacement parts ready. James and the other techs dropped what they were doing and attacked my car. They did an inspection of the rear suspension and determined that both rear control arms needed to be replaced (the left rear had a slight bend to it as well, and a small crack). Apparently this is a very weak point in the e46 suspension. James Muskopf said that many of the e46s that they see have bent rear control arms and their owners don't even know it. Mine was probably bent during my accident this past spring. The shop that did the inspection after the accident missed the slight bend and small crack. The RRT guys did not. NOTE to others to have yours looked at VERY CLOSELY.

The 4 techs did their magic and had me on my way in about an hour, while I watched. They were very thorough and very understanding of my situation. Good guys. They saved my weekend. :icon_clap

After I got back to the school, I took it very easy for the first track session. I think a couple of folks actually lapped me. We slowly pushed it back up and did not encounter any issues. The car performed great, the rest of the weekend.

Thanks Steve, Thanks RRT.

My instructor, Dave, was also great. Very encouraging, helpful, instructive, etc. I learned a lot, despite the issues I encountered.

jdunger
05-23-2006, 07:48 PM
Great weekend! Of course the perfect weather didn't hurt, either...

I liked the course with the Sunday set up (no turns 6 or 7) better than Saturday's. The skidpad sessions were very instructive with excellent instructors and a good, progressive program to learn about car control.

I enjoyed meeting other NCC club members who had previously only been names on this forum.

Thanks to the club and Steve for setting up the lunch at the Jefferson 500. It was a lot of fun seeing the "display" cars as well as getting to watch some of the race on the main circuit.

cheers - John

Phat Ham
05-23-2006, 09:54 PM
My issue was with the skid pad. My first run on the skip pad on Saturday morning resulted in a spin (not unusual) and a bent right rear control arm (not good). There was one area on the inside of the skid pad that had an asphalt curb and a small hole in the dirt on the other side. The slide up the curb combined with the drop on the other side was enough to bend my right rear control arm. I now had positive camber on the rear, instead of negative. The consensous was that it was still driveable on the street, but a no go on the track. :frown: I was watching you on the skidpad when that happened. It didn't look like you hit anything that bad but when you started driving again I could tell right away that something was bent. I was ready to run out there and tell someone but the skidpad instructors caught it. I was really surprised to see you back later in the day.

SharkD
05-24-2006, 01:51 PM
My issue was with the skid pad. My first run on the skip pad on Saturday morning resulted in a spin (not unusual) and a bent right rear control arm (not good). There was one area on the inside of the skid pad that had an asphalt curb and a small hole in the dirt on the other side. The slide up the curb combined with the drop on the other side was enough to bend my right rear control arm. I now had positive camber on the rear, instead of negative. The consensous was that it was still driveable on the street, but a no go on the track. :frown:

Shenandoah's skidpad is practically useless -- between the hill, the power poles and the immediately adjacent paddock/access road, it's a very severe accident waiting to happen. BSR could have better spent the money to upgrade the sprinklers on the "Active Systems Loop" and provide a dedicated access road that obviates the need to drive on the Jefferson or Main Circuit to get to the skidpad.

That said, I'm glad that RRT was able to get you back on the track. (I'm sure you still had more fun than I did this weekend, wedging all my belongings into a U-haul and then slowly making my way down I-95.)

Torquewrench
05-25-2006, 05:19 AM
This was my first NCC event since moving up from Orlando, FL as well as my first track experience of any kind (autox only last season).

On the drive home I was floating on air (at the speed limit, which felt very slow) and everyone I talked to later that night got just how excited I was.
The difference to me was that I was pushing the limits of the car much more than I had in autox and for a much longer time. It almost felt like I was skiing with the car. Now I'm sure more experienced folks do this in autox too, but I hadn't gotten there.

Having the instructor there (JoElla) was just great, every time we went out we worked on something new and I improved. I just wish there was more time on the skidpad. I got through understeer and just started on oversteer and then had to quit, but I really want more of that. You hooked me, I want to do this again soon, but September will have to do.

1996 328ti
05-25-2006, 05:27 AM
Having the instructor there (JoEllen) was just great, every time we went out we worked on something new and I improved. I just wish there was more time on the skidpad. I got through understeer and just started on oversteer and then had to quit, but I really want more of that. You hooked me, I want to do this again soon, but September will have to do.That's JoElla. The feedback we get all the time is for more skid pad time. Summit is the only track that I regularly attend that has a skid pad. Even a few minutes is more than most other schools get. Granted, we all need more skid pad time.